i can tell this is going to be a story where the ml is super toxic because of some childhood trauma (he implies he doesn’t have a good relationship with his family based on how they raised him), will treat the mc like a sex toy for him to use and then over time he will slowly fall for him and then start acting nice. i imagine the kid will make him soften up too and help him get over whatever trauma he has that makes him such an asshole. it’s almost too predictable. the art is really pretty but i don’t know if i can sit through this when the ml is obviously going to just force the mc to have sex with him all the time. everyone hates him now but this isn’t the first webtoon i’ve read on this site where the toxic ml is dragged in the comments at the beginning and then when he falls in love people will forgot how he behaved before because “he changed for love “
ugh why is such good art wasted on this story, what a shame
Lmao. It's the artist's own story, so he or she will make good art, despite.
i think bye bye was the artist’s own original story but this one is just them doing art for someone else
The opposite. Look it up.
Many info can be found in manga*pdates.
just checked and i’m right, bye bye is written and drawn by the artist for stigma (doo down) while stigma is written by kang pucon
oh shit you’re right i didn’t realise the artist changed their name
is there any need to make the ml this toxic? their conversation sounded so overly melodramatic when it was fundamentally just a matter of protecting the mc and their child from the rest of his family. he could’ve just taken the kid from the mc without marrying him and carried on living his life regardless of them being mated but he didn’t so i don’t think he’s got evil intentions.
People are who people are. The conversation was extremely toxic, yea. Let’s not forget the implications that are being made here though. He uses the phrase “my family” a lot in the conversation to emphasize that he really had no intention of doing this on his own. Also based on the picture of the child shown while having the conversation that was him and not Siyeon sitting in the chair while he was speaking of his family. In all honesty I think he’s arrogant but self-hating. And so many people are like this when they are “blessed” with some kind of talent that can help their family. I doubt he has the best relationship with his family and if they were preparing him for whatever from a young age I doubt his emotional growth grew in a humane way. He’s repeatedly said “we’re just animals in human form” and I’m pretty positive that’s what he really thinks. I think that is him trying to be as humanly possible as he can within his understanding. Obviously his family isn’t very humane.
I'm not sure about the rest. But when he mentioned "animals in human form" he was referring to the beastly nature of omegas n alphas, not his upbringing. He's angry that he's tied down to an omega and is at the mercy of nature & animalistic traits n desire to mate, bond, & procreate w/ an omega during his ruts n not having any control over himself.
I understood that
true, but at the same time it seems to be implied that his ideologies are based on his own upbringing. from the way he subtly alluded to his past it’s clear he doesn’t have a good relationship with his family, which is likely influenced by whatever they taught him growing up. based on other omega verse stories similar to this one, the ml is probably the type who was pressured to act a certain way because of the expectations placed on him as a dominant alpha that has in turn made him into who he is. lmao but like all the others, he’ll be toxic at the start and then the author will make him soften towards the mc as he falls for him, leaving his past behaviour to be forgotten about
Not yall shipping incest, ew...
it's a fucked up story with fucked up MC and MLs, what did u expect lmao
Lmfao, what did you expect? This was like centuries ago. Incest wasn’t a big deal because for some, it was the only way to keep the bloodline pure. It’s a fucked up story with a psycho FL, and purely fictional. So shipping her with Dion would be irrelevant. And if you aren’t comfortable with it, I suggest you find something that doesn’t have incest. Since you can expect in their timeline that incest is uncommon.
We all know incest was a thing back then, but that doesnt make it okay to ship them NOW, where it isnt a common thing, just because it was a thing back then. Its still wrong and its just an excuse to ship them.
It's fiction so eh. I think it's ok as long as we know the limits.
I did type, "in their time" I was not referring to ours. And it's purely fiction. I could careless about it, I read this stuff to relax. I know my limits. I do not condone incest, and I've read countless novels that set back to this kind of timeline and incest plays a part in it. I'm not saying I like it, but if its a part of the plot then there is literally nothing I could do about it. The story is already so fucked up, I don't get why the incest is the biggest problem here.
I understand that you are referring to back then, I was also. However you seem to be wondering why we are upset that people are actually liking a romantic sibling relationship. It’s because it’s wrong. People in the comments are shipping them together when it’s wrong. Just because it was something done in the past does not make it right( I’m saying this to the people who are shipping them). Also, just because the story has many other problems, does not mean we can’t talk about this matter also. We are just talking about that matter, we are not saying that it’s the biggest problem, but it is one that we decided to address, because people in the comments were supporting it. And just because it is fiction, does not mean it isn’t a problem. That’s like saying rape or sexualization of minors in fiction is fine because its fiction.
There’s a fine line between reality and fiction. As long as these people don’t condone it in real life, I don’t see the problem supporting it here. The story is fucked up, morals has no place here so everything’s a fair game. I don’t see people complaining about webtoons that has heavy gore or explicit depictions of murder. In fact, some people in comments easily do “omg kill this bitch” so easily. Do they condone murder IRL? Most likely not. As long as it stays in fiction, everything’s gucci.
No one’s saying it’s right, so I don’t know what makes you think that. Just because they support it doesn’t mean it’s right. If it makes you upset seeing people support it here then just drop the manhwa and go. Because there will be more of these incest-y stuff coming in the future. Spare yourself the headache and leave while it’s early.
As long as people know the difference between fiction and reality, I don't see the problem in allowing them to enjoy themselves. I enjoy seeing the interaction but I know full well that a similar relationship in real life would be toxic and the two should be separated. I understand where you're coming from, some things are never ok, even in fiction. There's a difference in this case. Oftentimes, the sexualization of minors in fiction are made for pedophiles. In this case, the two are in a toxic relationship because of their upbringing and results in a one-sided romantic(?) relationship. I guess readers like the tension(and looks) and that's why they ship them. As long as the line that shouldn't be crossed isn't crossed, I believe it's ok.
I never said it was fine. Never said it was right either. If my way of thinking upsets you, then I suggest we end this argument. We could go on and on and it still wouldn't end. And morals are out of the question in this manhwa just like @hyk said. And also I can differentiate fiction from reality, I'm not some sick person who would actually think incest is right and moral.
Ikr? SOME ship blood-related siblings romantically but when they see a couple that are not blood-related but started out as siblings they throw ugly hate. Asdfghjkl some people are hard to understand
Also
the story doesn’t have incest tho??? dion and the fl don’t have anything canonically going on, you guys are just misinterpreting it for some weird reason. the only thing i think is gross is you people shipping incest and trying to justify it lmao. also the older brother said incest was normal 4 generations ago, meaning it’s not currently normal in the story. it’s still fucked up
someone with sense thank you
no there won’t be incest between dion and the fl, whoever told you that is lying spoilers says she only gets involved romantically and sexually with the blue haired ml
i don’t know why you guys think the fl has no morals just because her family doesn’t on the most part, like are you not aware she literally just pretends to??? yeah she’s fucked up unsurprisingly with the circumstances she’s gone through but she still doesn’t dare reduce herself to her family’s level. why do you think she’s never taken toys like her siblings have before? that’s not in her nature and if you think otherwise, you’ve lost the plot. she hasn’t committed incest with dion and i doubt she will
They're talking about readers who ship Dion and Roxanna
Yes I am aware, however that’s not the case here. The op pertains to people who ships Dion and FL, not necessarily have to be canon
Also ngl Cassis’s hair doesnt look blue enough, at most silver i suppose. Unless its Jeremy u’re talking about which is
Also this conversation will be going out of nowhere, let’s all just agree to disagree. We’re all misunderstanding each other one way or another and nothing is ever being done in this scenario. Best leave here I suppose.
:// yk what im too tired for this, agree to disagree could rlly fucking care less
oh okay sorry i got confused lol
For this story to have such incredibly fast pacing to the point the plot feels lowkey clunky, it’s surprising how slow the romance is. Honestly, all in all, this is a bit of a mess
The author should’ve done more research into corsets before writing this, corsets being uncomfortable is a myth that was spread by men who didn’t like the fact that the corset industry was successful and dominated by women. Corsets are actually incredibly comfortable and are like olden day bras, there’s nothing wrong with them unless you tight lace, which was an uncommon thing to do
I hate that myth :( corsets r so lovely
Genuine question: from what I heard, at that time they used the corset in extreme ways for many hours while dancing and such (from a young age), and that's what lead to discomfort or body changes. Isso that a myth too? Since we know a lot of things in history textbooks are wrong
You are correct. They were indeed to give discomfort. But it is also true that it is exaggerated to a point they say that your ribs and organs will rearrange inside, which is untrue. So yeah, true to the discomfort part due to the muscles being compact in a long duration of time and also true to being exaggerated.
But it's true that if you take using corsets to the extreme you can rearrange your organs. Ethel Granger is a more or less modern example of that. I don't think she's the only woman who's done it over the decades, especially since even children were forced to wear corsets.
Also just a question, I've read somewhere that in the very olden days corset frames (?) were made out of like hard wood and that's why it was really uncomfortable. No idea if that's true, but was corsets always comfortable?? or is it more recently with industrialization?
Stays had a wooden rod inserted down the front which gave a flat shape to the front panned. Corsets were basically bras/shape ware of the day, while some women did tight-lace to have a dramatic figure, the majority of women did not seem to follow this trend.
There’ll several historical sewing you tubers who have videos on the subject if you are interested— I would really recommend the most recent video by Bernadette Banner who includes Costuming Drama (a plus-size YouTube) and talks about the history, function, and who would have benefitted most from the corset.
Banner also have several videos on like in corsets including one comparing her personally made and mostly historically accurate corset to the medical brace she wore as a child.
Here is the video like that I was talking about for those interested.
https://youtu.be/eWr_GtqsvFA
Ohh interesting. Thanks!!
I’m probably the only one who thinks this but I’d be much more satisfied if they relationship stayed more so as teacher and student, the romance really isn’t needed between them. Since she basically cultivated him into who he is now it almost feels wrong for them to be together for me... and also because Charlize has spent 400 years as a tool for the royal family, I’d rather she would have a normal life where she could live simply instead of being empress because obviously that’s what she’s going to be if she gets with the ML. I don’t know, it just feels like she will never get the chance to relax and live life simply if she ends up with the ML.
On a more random note, I wonder why the author made Duke Kenin also go back in time with her, you’d think he was the ML for something like that to happen to him but he’s obviously not hmmm...
What the hell is wrong with you people, how are you so depraved to be rooting for an incestuous relationship between Roxanna and Dion???? Neither hold romantic feelings for the other, Roxanne is literally disgusted by Dion and Dion just wants to see her suffer because he’s an psychopathic weirdo. Like with all these things, how are you rooting for such a gross relationship?
I know right!? These people have some screw loose
Ok we know we lost it XD. And I blame the pandemic for this
The writing of characters is local off because it literally doesn’t make sense for the seme to just be calm when he’s lover almost got severely injured, like why is it only his brother reacts in an understandable way? Like this kind of stuff happens a lot in this webtoon where characters are just too complacent at times when it doesn’t even make sense just to push the plot in the way that the author wants. Even the MC, except for him trying to stop the blonde haired one from touching the ML, that is literally the only situation in this story when he’s been proactive. He just kind of flounds around and gets pushed around by everyone else, to the point he even lets himself get sexually harassed but he doesn’t even have a reaction to that either and it just doesn’t make sense. I just wished the characters would act in a way that was more satisfying and made sense.
seriously everyone in this manhwa is frustrating asf I ain't ever forgetting the little bro masturbated on top of a sleeping woojin before that was totally sexual harassment and everyone seemed to didn't care about it
I think this story is cute but I wish the MC had more of an actual personality, it’s like even though she’s the MC we don’t even know who she is really
i’ve been reading this for so long (like 6/7 years now) that i forgot that this is all meant to be a flashback and that we still have to go through a time skip to the og plot lmao
i think we’re getting close to the time skip tho, he tian is probably going to go with his brother soon with jian yi for family business
WHAT
WHAT???
yep if you go back to the earliest chapters, it’s set in the future when they’re out of high school and jian yi and he tian have come back
fuuck it's been such a long time i fully forgot oml so many years
WHYBYOU GOTTA REMIND ME THAT IM OLD AS FUCK NOW~~~
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Omg wait which chapter TT