I think we're all being a little harsh with the queen - we don't know the extent of her future vision. Pryde's future vision shows her other people's motivations bc it's an otome game, a story she was being told as the player, ofc the game would explain everybody's feelings and reasons.
The queen probably just saw a heartless and spoiled Pryde with no idea what caused it - and logically assumed that spoiling her child would result in that. It's common for children of rich and powerful parents to feel like they can get away with anything because they're loved, I can see why she'd assume that giving Pryde "too much love" would bring about the bad end.
She was of course wrong (or maybe she was right, but responded too drastically and circled back to the same end regardless), and it was definitely stupid to assume that the only option aside from spoiling her child is to neglect her.
But she had good intentions and she does love Pryde. She was just mistaken about how to show it. I'm sure she'll do her best to make up for it now, she clearly regretted her choices.
I love your explanation, and I agree! Even though I acknowledge that, it still infuriates me to see Pryde’s mom. She just pisses me off loollll （￣へ￣）
Yh I don’t hate the queen, I don’t really care about her she's barely there. I dislike the original pryde tho, like how the hell does neglect lead to ur child becoming a psychopath that forces her brother in a slave contract and makes him kill his own mother. I don’t care how much she went through (which was not even much in comparison to what she's done) I still hate her specially cuz I really really like the brother, he so sweet dude.
While I agree with some of your points, there's a saying that goes: good intentions sometimes leads to hell.
It sorta undermines the fact that NOT ONCE did she ever show love to OG Pryde while claiming she 'loved' her. While her visions were fragmented and its one thing to be wary of her child, would the first thing any sane parent that cares for their child think to remedy seeing them go rogue in the future be: "Oh ye, maybe showing some slight love would make them go coo-coo! Let's not :/"
And going by some of your points, would it also not result to Tiana to become as evil as Pryde cuz she was showered with so much love, she was spoiled to a point? If the queen worried so much about giving excessive love, she should've done the same for the two other siblings, but no, she isolated Pryde from this and while OG Pryde can go f herself, it can be pretty understandable why she'd grow up jaded and evil (in a way, but not so much). And honestly, you right, she drastically decided things, especially isolating her while showing love for her other sib which is big dumb energy. Im also seething at the dad tho, because while he doesn't die in this timeline, he's been a passive spectator over this like he isn't part of the family dynamic which is ???? Bonkers ?? And then he just goes "Oh, ye, babe, you fucked up but iz cool, I still love you even if OUR other daughter was starving for your love for a while now :DDD"
I personally just blame it from the devs that created the otome game or I guess 'fate,' heck, the editors, even in this case, since they made Pryde just evil incarnate and its a slight loose end in the plot that I wanna nitpick at lol. Like, kids get abused, but they don't go around forcing siblings to kill parents or watch knowingly of their soldiers dying to capture one target. OG Pryde wasn't meant to be multi-faceted, she was supposed to just be cut-throat black and white evil so that Tiana, the 2nd sister, could shine the brightest and honestly, I'd be doubtful if we were to pull this in the realm of reality that Tiana would at least not have harbored some temperament against an abusive Pryde.
Ok, I digress now but ye, I think yes, she had good intentions, but she didn't execute it well. Isolating children who only wants emotional support at a young age could only ever go wrong and she did have some fault. I just hope she makes it up to her now (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
ohmygod this is so long :(((( im so sorry !!! sioadflsafsd i didnt knotice i kept rambling AAAAAAAAAA
no prob, i know how it can be! I don't disagree, I just wanted to point out with my comment that while the queen is an idiot, she's not malicious. Some people in the comments sound like they think the queen was an evil person. But according to what the canon itself is telling us, she has good intentions and love in her heart - she (and yes, the king too, thank you for reminding me!) is just so mindnumbingly stupid that none of her good intentions helped. I won't deny that she's definitely caused harm with how shitty her reasoning was, regardless of her intentions.
And yeah tbh, the plot is pretty poorly set up - I just can't imagine how Pryde would ever NATURALLY be so terrible when everyone around her seems to be decent.
(Although there was that one advisor or smth spreading rumours about her, right? For all we know, it could turn out that the real reason she became a villain was bc he was intentionally manipulating her, but we'll see I guess. King and queen are still dumb though lol.)
I dunno I just don’t hate the mum if u get me, not saying what she did was morally right but I just don’t really care about her. I guess which is more or less the point since I don’t think the author wants the readers to hate her. Like lack of love and neglect doesn’t really speak psycho murderer to me (like her forcing her brother to kill his mum at like 11? I think). I guess if they really wanted that kind of story where they'd focus on the child's psyche and why she would do these things, they'd actually humanise the original Pryde (which they haven’t nor do I think they will, she's literally labeled as the "villain" ).
I think it's just more on what type of manga this actually is, which is a feel good manga where depth is selective. Like thinking about it there have been cruel children in the real world before and weirdly smart ones at that like the story of mark and John like damn dude.
But anyway I don’t think the mum should be hated too much just cuz I don’t think they’re gunna go in-depth like that anyway and due to the original Pryde just plainly being made into a psychopath or like u said a black and white villain (like to me it's a waste of energy I don’t take reading this manga all to heart or seriously that's just me tho). I mean there are many rich neglected kids that don’t turn into outright murderers by the age of 11. But anyhow I ain’t mad at the mum there's literally no point to, if I wanted a realistic manga that attacked realistic cases with depth I would have chosen a different manga to read (not that fantasy can’t be realistic).
Yes, for sure, I totally agree with you on this! She seemed to genuinely think that what she was doing was right (which was honestly just big dumb energy HAHAHAHA) and both parents are just canonically idiotas that it just makes me sight at this point.
We'll have to see now, tho, how they make up for it with Pryde because she deserves the world and more ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ Hopefully that dumbass chatterbox advisor drops dead or becomes irrelevant to the story or actually becomes one of Pryde's growing congregation or actually becomes one of those voices of reason to ground her lol (imagine a full-grown adult maligning a 10 year old they barely knew ???? Dafuq was that lol ??????)
Thanks for this thread, you were a very mature conversationalist to share some differing and similar opinions with ヾ(☆▽☆)
Oh, for sure, yes, I get where you're going at. I don't really hate her cuz I think hate is a strong word and ye, the story's a feel good story with dark undertones being pushed under a small-ass rug lol. But, tbf, I did hate her the first time she was introduced, not so much because she was neglectful but more so because of her reasoning behind it. And, ye, I did have to take some deep breaths with her because for sure, there are more ass-wipey fucker parents that deserve "Worst Parent Awards" or "The Bar is So Low, It's Practically Hell Awards" in this genre, but her actions were (and still infuriating) to me.
But, indeed, it was more or less just loose writing by the creators and they prolly don't want us hating on her. However, I just want to dislike her since I haven't really seen her work on mending their relationship just yet HAHAHAHA. It's also a lil easier to clown on her since she comes off semi stupid oomf. Like, I get other parents in the genre who are worse but to me its more about the fact that usually they're already established as cold-ass parents so when we see them learn to give love to their kids, we aren't just bombarded with 'oh, ye, they loved their kid all along and they were just a tsun-tsun or someone who couldn't show it' whereas she justified her actions as something out of her own wack version of love which is just :/ meh.
I'll have to stop here because I dont think I make sense anymore lol but ye, I'm not really focusing on the realism of the story, just more on how they executed her reasoning or her intentions which is pure weak sauce, which again, I am *semi-glaring* at the editorial staff lol. No hard feelings ╮(￣▽￣)╭
God yh definitely and u make total sense (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Yh her reasoning is definitely shit and the fact the author's trying to make it seem reasonable makes it more pissy and oh god are there worse parents, feck I’m getting flashbacks both irl parents and fictional ones. The Casey Marrie Anthony case literally makes u go ugh humanity but anywho hope u have a great day ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Ah, yes, a true crime connoisseur !! Took me a while to remind this old noggin' about this case. Truly a tragic one, the poor daughter wherever or whatever her fate is now :(((( Casey do be deserving that Please Burn In Hell You Questionable Being Award, that lying ass cold-blooded bin.
I hope you also have a great day ahead !! ヾ(☆▽☆)
LMAO yeah a grown man spreading rumours about a 10-year-old girl, like wth, grow some balls and go undermine the emperor or smth.
And you too, love having some constructive conversations in these comments for a change! <3
HAH OH MY GOD i kinda love this though???
the fact that sovieshu literally gives NO SHITS about rashta, only about the child becoming an heir, and is fully planning to MAKE RASHTA LOOK BAD TO MAKE THE EMPRESS LOOK BETTER. *Wow!* He's a piece of shit, but even he knows which woman's preferable as an empress! Navier just keeps on winning!
Now I just wanna see his face when his plan backfires so horribly lol.
I feel like the prince knows, somehow, that he's being targeted by all these princesses for a kiss specifically. It just seems like he's playing the flirt role to keep them thinking they're doing fine while he figures out how to turn the table on all of them. Or maybe he's fine with this method of finding his princess? Idk, I just feel like he has to be aware of the game that's being played around him.
Same opinion. If that really so, then I wonder why? Is it just to bring out the best princess that will aide him or there are more reason to it. ヾ(☆▽☆)
glad it's solved but kinda wish the duke had like. not been a flaming dickhead. he knew about ripley's insecurities and then acted like that. what kind of game does he think he's playing?? ripley should just dump him if he's gonna be like that.
your partner's feelings aren't a game, she was wrong to not respect his, back when she was running away from him, but she KNOWS that now - so the answer isn't for him to do the same to her anyway. two wrongs do not make a right, it's just being a dick.
i know he most likely doesn't realize how much it hurt her to see that, but i really wish he'd gotten the chance to realize it. if he loves her, he should do his best to not hurt her, not prod at her insecurities just bc he's petty about her complimenting someone.
first i wanna say that i agree with you, except for the part where she had to respect his feelings at the beginning.
I mean, she clearly didn't want to marry him back then, so why should she ignore her own feelings and be forced into a relationship she didn't want? Also the guy pretty much ignored her feelings and forced his on her, so I don't really see why she was wrong to not "respect" his feelings.
Sorry, what I mean is, after she decided she wanted a relationship with him, she should've come clean about her accident being a lie, especially once she realized he's worried for real. NOT that she should've married him when she didn't want to - the duke was being way too aggressive about it so I'm not blaming her for trying to find another way out, and in fact! That's another thing I'd like him to apologize for! What was going on with that "oh well I knew you didn't wanna marry me" line he dropped, like that's supposed to solve anything! Girl faked an accident bc he wouldn't respect her feelings back then either. There's just no respect anywhere in their relationship lmao. Somehow I'm still reading this though - I just hope it gets better later on.
Ahhh, I see now! Yes, she should have told him the whole accident was simply fake, also she should have probably told him the reason for it (even though he already knows, bc i mean, dude he said it himself, he knew she didn't want to marry him!) and make him realize how much off an a*s he was back then (and still is -> bc of recent events). Maybe him reflecting on his actions a little bit won't hurt, guess that would make me satisfied.
I just hope that maybe in the future they can talk about it and reflect on their actions - stuff like that. I would feel kinda betrayed if they just skip all the parts where they did wrong and forget it bc of love or bc they are happy now.
As you said, there is no respect in their relationship, hopefully this will change in the future too
The ending was vague, but I'm pretty sure what's gonna happen in the modern universe is: Raeliana's gonna be reborn as herself and go through everything again, except she doesn't actually die from the fall and her consciousness doesn't get sent anywhere. She keeps on living her life, and this time Noah's reincarnation will find her by using his memories of a book about the modern universe as his guide. And maybe someday she'll regain her memories?
Just a theory lol.
*shrek voice* katarina can you stop befriending villains FOR FIVE SECONDS-
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oh my god i actually cried tears over this chapter
Me too dude it hurt seeing the cute undine sacrifice herself
lmao yall can calm down, all the MLs are gonna win in this one, Robia isn't threatening any of your favourite boys~
dunno why everyone's freaking out over "give her to me" when it's clearly not meant romantically, and also it's rare enough that an orphan maid from an institution that opposes the king is given as much consideration as she has. she's a security risk, protocol literally dictates that she should be KILLED on the spot, and yall are complaining about how the phrase "give her to me" doesn't take her agency into consideration. if the only thing between me and death is some nonsense words, i'll take the nonsense words.
Amen
I'm so sorry, I meant to upvote ugggghhh
getting tired of this........ @ me when the misunderstanding gets solved
also wish Alice would just stfu. Her last dream didn't come true. If they start helping Nocton's mum, I'm gonna rip my hair out and shove it down that girl's throat for causing all this pain for everyone.
like, think about it. Alice is the cause of the blond guy's heartbreak. Alice is the cause of Duroa and Nocton falling out. Let's just send her on a long vacation and watch all their problems solve themselves.