Anyway real talk I’m glad uke brought it up. Because Gojo lookalike here really trying to turn this on his Geto, like damn. Geto lookalike probably just giving in because he wants his Gojo to be happy. Someone tell me what are their names
LMAO
Saku (uke)
Renji (seme)
this got me cracking
He looks like Gintoki bro, not Gojo.
I can’t ever get myself to read through this after someone said Navier is pretty much the equivalent of a white colonialist getting mad at a slave for trying to get out of slavery and fk over the system that enslaved her for her relative’s crimes lol
Wow, now people are angry at Navier for rightfully feeling the emotions she went through?
She watched the love of her life fall in love with someone else and neglect her feelings…
This is a terrible take ngl
LFMAOAO this is a funny take. While we don't see the empire take over nations in this story, the slavery is not through conquest but through crimes. Rashtaa is a slave because her parents committed a crime, and she is forced to work it off. Though the story says slaves are generational, it never states the person who committed the crime can just elect their kids to do it, because her father is alive. That's the reason slaves are looked down upon and why Navier doesn't really do anything to resolve that. Its criminals that are serving, and children of criminals. It follows the same mindset of "the apple doesnt fall far from the tree" gimmick.
You could say that, but it completely ignores Navier and Rashta's (the former slave) personalities. The author did not write this with slavery in mind, it's more so supposed to be a twist on that rofan trope where the typical commoner girlie falls in love with a royal and against all odds ends up ruling the country with him. Honestly, Rashta having been a former slave is background info if nothing else and serves as petty justification for her malice.
They did miss out on that though. It would've been interesting to see Rashta go somewhere and make a point, but she's just an obstacle to be mad at. A seething hoe that happens to be a former slave too. You can imply that the author thinks a certain way about slaves/poor people, but that's just pointing fingers with no solid proof.
I mean, Navier gave her first love away. What more you want from her?
So you agree that people should be punished for the crimes of their parents? BRUHHHHHH THIS IS A MAD TAKE,
Anyway yall don’t hate me, it was written from the pov of a black woman who talked about a black slave deliberately fking over a white family as revenge for slavery of her people. Imma defer to her as a fellow brown skinned person and someone who can’t speak on black slavery
No no, I just wanted to provide context of the slavery that's written in the story- even though despite the means, it's still slavery. It's very uncomfortable that the author (novel) introduces slavery into the story and theres no justice brought to the slaves in the empire. I never finished the novel, so I'm not sure if it ends up being resolved.
In the end Rashtaa is demonized for taking things away from Navier despite it being a woman that's just trying to survive.
Oh dude I'm so sorry, I mistook the commenter above you as the you as well so I thought this comment was like a follow up. Yeah totally agree dude, I was excited to read this then damn that truth bomb just dropped on me. Why the hell is Navier and the King enslaving people for their parents' crimes?!?!??! White colonialist vibes ngl
And here we go... making things about the BLM again. Things should stay in the context they were given, not out of them.
Naw are you black? Doesn’t seem like it from one of your comments about your ethnicity, I ain’t gonna talk over a black person and you shouldn’t too mmmkay
I don't hate you.
And this manhwa is basically just about royal drama centered around an Empress, and it doesn't wanna mess with the deeper implications of slaves existing to begin with. If that's not for you, then don't read. It's a shame that the author chose to avoid the topic and make their main antagonist into a power-hungry former slave when there was potential for so much more to be said. It hypocritical or the author, but not every story needs to take apart it's politics.
In any case, why not make up your own opinion about this? You can read it on here without supporting the author anyway. Ngl that blm comment feels like a reach, I feel where it's coming from but again, a bit off the mark here. You'll get it when you read it yourself and can stop when you realize it's not doing it for you.
Discriminating now? If you are going to bring an unrelated topic, I'll tell you off. Everything is not about race. Wake up.
Why do you believe that bs? Seriously. Only racist Black people have ever said that phrase, point blank. Because everytime they say that, they follow up with, oh you can't be racist to this group of people. Wtf??
Imagine an Asian or White person saying, Black people can't talk about our situation or give their opinion because their not our skin tone.
Don't fuel their narrative, which is already off topic. (￣∇￣")
Yeah. You're right, I'm doing the same thing, sorry for ruining y'all's original discussion
Honestly think this manhwa is getting draggy and it doesn't handle the dark themes very well, for example the bullying Yeonwoo went through, feels like a 0 to 100 and thrown in without much thought to justify Yeonwoo's timidity. I'd have liked if there were more hints from it at the start, so we can put two and two together, because now it feels like the author's just writing some generic equation formula of "look at this shy boy! shy shy shy! and....... now tada!!! he got bullied really horribly that's why he's like this guys, okayyyy moving on"
There were so many hints tho, they kept foreshadowing about something happening in their previous school and Yeonwoo having nighmares too, even the manhwa title drawing getting burnt more and more kept us anticipating something terrible. It might feel cliche but that's how some victims of bullying and SA irl are, his self esteem issues, stuttering, not knowing how to act around others felt natural to me.
If you look at him in the first chapters his stuttering was so frequent and he was way more 'shy' than now and because of how he himself was trying hard to gain confidence and promising Haesol to be better made me not think of him as typical shy FL in romance mangas.
There were a LOT of hints?
......the title????????
Ok don’t get too offended guys
i disagree but respect to your opinion, it’s the fact that it should have been brought up much early on instead of seeded so subtly. Trauma doesn’t work that way. Read Gangnam ID as an example - it’s how you can keep it a light manga without going from 0 to 100, because right from the start they address the heavy themes properly but in a “it’s there, but I’m living my life still” instead of seeding it in SOOOOO slowly and then throwing it all out at once. Protag is also a very shy person with heavy trauma, and you can tell right away because she rates people’s faces and all the other things.
fym “I disagree” your og comment is you claiming that you felt they just threw in the trauma to explain Yeonwoo’s timidity, and the reply literally lists a few examples in which it was clearly hinted. You may have a problem with how slowly it was brought up, but that’s a completely different complaint than saying there weren’t many hints at all, which is just plain wrong.
And to say “trauma doesn’t work that way” is just,,, weird ??? Trauma works differently for everyone and it’s not going to be portrayed the same way in every story.
The reason why it was introduced so late is because the entire story Yeonwoo’s trying to change himself and move on from his past, (which is why we only see hints to it)until he can’t ignore it, LITERALLY, because his past PHYSICALLY caught up to him in the form of meeting the bully again, making him relive that trauma. You’re tripping if you think the placement is off, I think it was done pretty well.
Completely agreed. Also the author didn't bring in the trauma to say this is why Yeonwoo is shy. Yeonwoo has always been a shy person as you can see from their childhood and it's BECAUSE he is shy that the bullies thought that it was easier to bully him. This wasn't a "gotcha" moment. And it was definitely hinted waaay earlier. Especially with the way how Yeonwoo and Junhyuk interacted with each other and other people.
Okay Yuriel x Rosie is my favorite ship but ehhh I don’t really like how this is turning out… Yuriel kissing Rosie while she’s grieving about her unrequited love for Kael is a no-go, it’s why I don’t particularly like Kael or the Duke since they just kiss and touch Nathan without consent. I mean, if Yuriel was a man, I’m sure you guys would find it kind of gross for a dude to just kiss a girl crying over another guy…
Eunyoung saying he sees Haejoon’s Mom in him… From the start when Haejoon chose to stay in the dorm so Eunyoung wouldn’t be left alone with ghosts despite how Eunyoung hurt and mocked him, Eunyoung knew he was a good person.
My own feeling behind Eunyoung asking Haejoon if he has siblings is that he sees Haejoon as his family. I think he might be kind of happy that Haejoon doesn’t have siblings since it means that he will always be one of the closest to Haejoon.
I knew they wouldn't end up together but this ending is way too open, like author made Siwoo into a rapist for no real development??? (He is a rapist by the way considering Dohyeok was passed out when Siwoo was putting in all those sex toys) Like Dohyeok changing??? Apologizing to Suha??? Dude got gangraped and that's never addressed?????? No therapy???????????? He just gonna wrap a scarf and get over it???? Like damn this story opens up a lot of dark themes and doesn't address them well
I completely agree with you ...now my last hope is that we may get something in side story of main couple..i hope theses things get addressed and resolved
Yeah honestly I don't think people are pissed off mainly that Siwoo and Dohyeok didn't get together, because we've had BL where the main couple broke up at the end and the backlash wasn't as big. This one was mid because it opened up a lot of things - Dohyeok being gangraped and his trauma as someone who himself did so (pressured Suha), Siwoo having some feelings for the guy who abused his closest friend, the gangrape itself - and closed none of them well.
The only thing it barely closed was that Siwoo rejected Dohyeok, which in itself is fine, but Siwoo can't suddenly take the moral high ground at the end of it all when he raped Dohyeok as well.
Agree the side stories were so unnecessary with all this
I agree ...i was kind of 50-50 whether they will get happy ending or not becoz of lots of ups and down
“What’s not to like about me” A lot. Dohyeok, you’re my babygirl, but there’s a shit ton of things to not like about you boy tf you mean
haha i can't believe he had the audacity to say that
THE PROBLEMS ARE ALL MEN AND THEIR CREEPY ASS OBSESSION FOR ONE WOMAN. Leave Shuri the hell alone. She’s a kid and she just looks like some woman who honestly doesn’t give me good vibes since she lowkey cheated on the King by kissing Johannes. Shuri is not like the previous Empress at ALL but yall grown ass men projecting onto a 14 year old!!!!
IN OTHER NEWS, MEN CONTINUE TO DISAPPOINT.
Plus most of the kids got mommy issue she sees them as her child or younger brother but them mixing the mother love with romantic feeling...