kimisama's Topics (69)

The worse MD did was slap him ( which shouldn't count since that were in play mood) and with the rough sex MD ask him multiple times if he wanted to stop,even stop himself when he felt that this was going too far. I don't see how more people aren't.

Not really and what MD did was shitty, but did Chanwoo think that bringing his bf of 4 days to his dom that confessed to him was a good idea? What MD did was shitty because hes taking the bsdm thing too far but what Chanwoo has done so far has also been very shallow. So now im just mehh about both these characters

Chanwoo deserves it for trying to find dick afterwards with no remorse. He dated douchbags and random dicks but head on rejects MD. Which was fine but no, he had to go and try finding a dick and even decided he wanted to date them, sucks for him the dick he wanted was another UKE.

But he wanted to make their relationship clear. To see if MD is ok with them and want to continue their BDSM relationship? So he should lie that he isn't seeing anyone?

but it’s HIS LIFE tf MD doesn’t own him ???????

No one deserves abuse. He has every right to date and see anyone he wants.

Because this play is not even consensual fully. He is pressured to participate in that. He feels obligated and can't even voice he is uncomfortable with anyrhinf because of conditions.

Abuse excusers are just as bad as abusers

MD would obviously feel hurt because he wanted a real relationship outside of their BDSM thingy and I don't think Chanwoo is that dumb to not notice it. If he really wanted to date the dude then he should've ended it because he KNOWS what MD wants and how it would hurt him.

Sometimes even worse, because abusers get punished but those people still keep thinking that their takes are perfectly normal

But it's MD decision to stop their relationship. It's not Chanwoo 's responsibilitym he rejected him and MD wanted to continue.

The only reason chanwoo agreed is cause he doesn't want to lose MD to another more willing sub but he can't keep MD too and still pretend his feeling don't exist. That is emotional abuse plain and simple.

for real wtf I don't get that logic. if MD really fell for him, he should have been straightforward and told Chanwoo he can't be his dom anymore. but it seems like he ghosted him instead.

Is this the first chapter of the story that you are reading? They are in a Dom/sub relationship where he is his slave for fun and games and get whipped and loving it. Read the whole manga, it is great!

Stupid people excusers are worst than stupid people

But it's also Chanwoo's decision if they want to stop, it's not only MD's. They should've talked about it instead of doing the scene.

Thank you I just think these people don't understand that this is how some Dom/sub interaction are. Lots of hardcore subs like to be slapped

Yikes. If y’all think this is what bdsm is, please never participate in it. For your sake, and your partners.

It's clear Chanwoo doesn't know his limits. He didn't protect while being strangled to death. Also they should have talked not create some toxic play which doesn't have much with real consent and BDSM.

Uh, yeah I guess? Not sure what you’re trying to say lol If you’re implying I’m stupid for knowing the difference between bdsm and domestic abuse, then maybe you should check your definition on what the word “stupid” means, and instead check the definition of “enabler” :^)

Ffs why is it so hard for u people to understand this has nothing to do with bdsm or hardcore bdsm????? This whole « play » is happening bc MD hold grudges and is trying to get some reaction out of him?? He wasn’t slapped just to get pleasure out of it. He was even uncomfortable compared to their usual plays. So plz stop trying to explain the rules of bdsm that’s not the point open your eyes.

EXACTLY!!! They should've both talked about it first because they're just going to continue hurting each other if they don't talk about what's going one first. I feel that their relationship is going downhill because of both of them not communicating :/

I literally can’t with u people why is it so hard to understand this has nothing to do with bdsm or hardcore bdsm? Lmfao right chanwoo seemed to love it in that last panel he didn’t seem uncomfortable at all.

This. This “play” stopped being bdsm the moment that MD realized that Chanwoo won’t say the safe word. Now it’s just abuse.

Oh please. Just because you read 50 shades and 10 manga does not make you an expert social worker or BDSM player. Keep the swallow wisdom to a minimum until you actually participate in a BDSM relationship

Many of us have. And agreed with their opinion and are saying that yours is wrong. So maybe you should actually be the one to shut up first. Or at least stop trying to educate people in something you are ignorant about

Dear god do I hope you don’t participate in shit like this and call it bdsm. If you do, please call the police. I’m being so serious rn.

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE ABUSED.

This is blowing my mind! ‘If you’re stupid enough to do something like that you deserve to be abused’ ‘this is a BDSM relationship, so a slap even if unwanted is absolutely fine’, these sort of phrases are quite literally saying ‘well he consented once....or well he deserved it.’ Victim blaming phrases. The moment I don’t consent to something, whether I like BDSM or not, it is abuse.

This sums up the whole debate

First of all I have participate in BDSM I know what I mean I know there's is a need for mutual respect and understanding between both dom and sub but Chanwoo does not respect MD feelings even when they first started. I'm not saying there isn't abuser who use BDSM as an excuse what I and everyone else is saying is the abuser isn't MD it's Chanwoo

This is so so simple. Why are some people struggling to get that?

The Dom feelings, when they're anger, CAN'T COME INTO THE PLAY. Sorry but no. If that happens that's a shitty partner and it's putting the sub in danger

Chanwoo is the abuser aight... lmao

A sub shouldn't disregard their Dom's feelings just because they aren't the one's in charge. You came keep fucking with someone and then play victim when you get a reaction

Oh my god i hope you haven't actually participated into any kind of play. What you're defending isn't part of our community. We don't excuse abusive behaviour EVER. If a Dom doesn't agree with a sub THEY STOP THE PLAY, they don't inflict harm in a position of anger. You're so sooo wrong

Right? This mindset is so dangerous!

I'm like woah, the level of stupidity in this comment section is outstanding

You baptized it abusive. MD asked if they are both willing to participate. They both said yes. Chanwoo can leave whenever he likes. Since no deep feelings of love are involved (well not for Biss anyway, according to him Chanwoo is chained with invisible chains). So if you have a slave and the Dom gives an order and the slave disobey the Dom will sweet-talk him gently? Especially in front of others??? Oh yes you are so part of this community

I am too and yes I know your not agreeing with me

Lmfao I beg u to stop it’s impossible to communicate when you don’t even get what the point is and you’re still hung up on speaking about the rules that everybody now while here it is NOT about that ffs. Let us part my friend

You know what? Fuck off. The rules have to be stated BEFORE the play and HAVE TO BE AGREED ON. That didn't happen. So this is just abusive and you are really dense. Buhbye!!!!!!!!

You know what? Fuck off. The terms have to be stated beforehand and agreed on BEFORE. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. IF THE SUB SHOWS ANY KIND OF DISCOMFORT, YOU STOPM PERIOD. MD is being a petty abusive asshole and you're as thick as a brick. BUHBYEEEEE

Don't try to communicate with 13 year old kitties. At 37 we see that MD got extremely pissed that after the streaming was ending Chanwoo was out the door. MD is getting really angry cause a Dom must "allow" the game to end etc. So he takes a risk and goes hardcore without asking. At the end he himself thinks that he overdid it. But thankfully for him Chanwoo was ecstatic and happy (he is not just Sub, he is also M). But that was a risk, and it was done without prior arrangement. Now that after the confession and the loss of his balance MD recovers. Chanwoo stupidly is led by the nose by another scum that uses him (like others in the past) and even put MD in the center of it a few time after he rejected his feelings. MD is no longer angry. MD is like the good girl that was dumbed by her boyfriend because he wants her bad cousin. And now the girl (who warned the boyfriend that the cousin will just use him) just witnessed her prediction coming true. She is not angry, she is vindicated. And now it is time for Chanwoo and MD to evolve, or be no more

True! This is not even up for discussion!

@Nyarulee. Ok now, bye bye. Go write to your diary about your future love of your life and leave the serious discussion to adults. (That 50 shades book really damaged silly young people. They think contracts are signed and sealed of 34 pages).

Stfu age doesn’t define maturity and clearly if ur 37 u just chose to turn a blind eye on the whole situation but this sub/dom it doesn’t have anything to do with that it’s not about « oh I’ll have to give him a PuNishMent » MD is just pissed about this whole situation and uses bdsm bc it’s only a WAY/PRETEXT to lash it out on him.

You read the manga as you read the comments. Without making any sense of what you are reading. I am talking about the CHAPTER 37. 37 is not an age. And after that we expect comprehension of the plot or of the characters motives... Tra la la ....

Why are u so hung up on the pasts chapters ???? Not the same thing is happening right now? I’m pretty sure reading all the chapters give u pretty much an idea of what bdsm is and even if u don’t have that much knowledge about it u can still tell when something is going wrong.

You are replying in a less mature way than my 13 year old sibling. How can anyone have a proper discussion with you if you are not listening?

When you grow up you learn to accept that you can't agree with everyone. You said your piece, we've said ours. I do not agree with you but that's OK. I hope your way of thinking will not put you or anyone else in a dangerous situation.

Let's leave this behind and stop before it gets nastier.

Atay safe and have a nice day!

Oh and by the way I am 39 and age does define maturity, except for certain cases that they never fully mature due to mental or psychological reasons. Now I will mute this thread of tear eyed teens who probably should not even read this at the first place, moreover understand it. Bye bye.

Uhm unless u give me actual proof with studies I can argue but no lol not everyone is the same, learn and think the same. That’s what makes each humans so different.

Did not mute in time, damn. I am very well aware of the different mindsets of everyone reading this. And it is ok to have different opinions. But when pompous lines are thrown by underage who pretend to know about sex relationships or kinks, do not even understand the comments or swear, then excuse me, I will just laugh at them and act silly, because an adult response would really go to waste. Even you, first you underestimate and insult me (slightly) but then you bring forth the spirit of good will and dialogue. Oh really?

My intention wasn't to insult you, I just stated what came to mind. I felt like I was bickering with one my siblings even though I wasn't even the one talking with you.

I think being mature and kind is never a waste. It doesn't matter if you are talking to a child or an adult. Fyi I'm not sure if you are referring to me or in general but I'm not underage. However I really I don't see how that can be used as an insult either. Age has nothing to do with maturity. I've met 50 year old with less maturity than most 20 year olds. It really depends.

Nevertheless we agree to disagree. It would be boring for everyone to share the same opinion, wouldn't it?

Not sure where you are from but enjoy the rest of the day!

Honestly I find your attitude very arrogant I don’t know what makes u think that u being 39 yo old makes u entitled to being better and knowing better than us. And how are u just assuming people’s age ?? Even if I was underage bruh some people that are younger than me know a lot more about sex so no ur not making any sense.

he can date whoever he wants.. douchbag or not. it's his own life

yeah exactly.