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Thankss you saved me.
I won't read story with manwhore ml

ffs just read the story corectly... being overly extreme there but alright itts a good story nice plot lines good characters.

It has high ratings so I'm sure it's objectively a good story! Just not for me MLs with past lovers aren't my type idc how devoted they turn out to be to the FL in the end

ok you missing a good read ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Welcome! Agreed manwhore MLs aren't worth it

It's okay these manwhas are dropping like flies I'm sure I'll get something that suits my taste better eventually ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Everyone has to choose what they like. Just like OP wouldn’t read this kind of manhwa, absolutely no one can pay me a billion dollars to read BL manhwa. That’s just how it is.

As if ines didn’t experience 3 men

I’m the same I can not stand manwhore male characters. However, I do feel like this story is worth reading for a couple of reasons. The first is from the beginning of the novel he is smitten and obsessed. Adding to that and making it my second reason while yes we know he has had a past, since he married her (and presuming some time prior) he hadn’t been with another woman and hasn’t looked at another one. It was actually quite amusing to see Ines try to set him up only for him to ruin the plan and get super hurt and jealous.

I wouldn’t either, but Carcel is a redeemable character from the beginning. There was two scenes where he was with another woman, one when Ines catches him at a ball and second during his backstory. I would suggest skipping them like I did, but he really is a truely obsessed Ines worshipping Simp and for that reason I can’t put this story down. He makes it up to her time and time again. He’s 1000x times better than those cold abusive mcs or the manhwa White Stag or something where the mc is an ass and not worth redeeming. I never once felt like I couldn’t stand Carcel or hated his actions since I started this story. Rather his reactions are just pure gold, especially when you see how obsessed he gets, hurt by Ines’s actions (tried to make him cheat) , angry towards others defending her, and when he’s jealous.

exactly this ! sometimes i just wonder if people read mangas for the story or just for the beautiful art? (this story has both)

this is not about you ╮(￣▽￣)╭ this is about a well written story, and op exaggerated on her comment for something thats not even there so why misdirect other readers that might like the manga.

And cheated on her abusive husband with Emiliano. Just like how Carcel cheated on his fiancé who manipulated and forced him into this marriage at a young age.

Like I wouldn’t care that she cheated on her abusive husband, so why care if Carcel did? Both were abused in a way, doesn’t have to be physical.

Yes, it’s not about me but I can respect that this reader feels that way. Everyone will have their own opinion about Carcel. It’s really the manhwa’s fault because they cut out Ines’s flaws and made Carcel the only bad person. When both of their flaws were shone early in the novel story, the criticism was leveled at both of them. This is why the manhwa reduced the first well written ML I know into purely an obsessive simp and a comic relief. It’s such a disservice to Kim ChaCha’s well written ML that in order to reduce the hate towards him because of his manhwa portrayal, the manhwa turned him into 100% simp.

Friend, how dare you tell the truth. Yes, everyone is blind to the fact that Ines cheated and if anyone points it out, they are ready with the excuse that she did it to escape her abusive husband. Most times these defenders accuse people who point this out as misogynists but don’t even realize they’re saying that the only escape worth taking for Ines was to runaway with another man who is literally a stranger whom she knew nothing about. She could have just as easily ran away with her waiting lady like other women have done in other stories. There wasn’t just one way of escape for her.

With Carcel, she ignored his existence during the time when they would be courting. He realized on some level that she didn’t actually like him even when she kept telling him she did and eventually they became estranged for 7 years. She didn’t care one bit. It’s when she felt that she was getting too old at 23, she decided to show up in front of him to perform reverse psychology. That’s because it was time to implement her plan to get pregnant then divorce him. Of course many are blind to this deceptive plan of hers because all they see is Carcel’s flaws. Not hers. Even though the manhwa tried to hide most of her flaws, some of it came out with the fact that she was still tried to entrap Carcel with crazy lady.

is it simping or love for you wife bad though? I doubt it

I’ve seen MLs in other stories neglect their wives by going to war yet people ATTACK him for that. And here Ines is, as you said: “when they would be courting. He realized on some level that she didn’t actually like him even when she kept telling him she did and eventually they became estranged for 7 years”

Yet she’s okay for that? HAHA. And I’m saying all this as a woman, and I definitely do not hate myself. I don’t like to be too biased. I’ve seen way too many double standards for some women in bato and other platforms, excusing their neglect and general abuse towards their partners, but readers attack some MLs doing the same.

Yes, how dare I tell the truth and let them see their hypocrisy. I think most readers fell for her manipulative tactics. Yikes. But I’m glad she apologized and developed as the story progressed, although I’m never moving on from the Carcel hate.

Like there’s so many other things to hate on and they choose to stop reading cause of an abused man, specifically neglected man. And some even say how that despite it being political marriage, it’s still cheating.

I don’t remember so if you could tell me, did Carcel sleep around while he was married or before the marriage? If it’s the latter, why do people say it’s wrong for him to cheat during marriage when he didn’t?

It’s not bad but then he becomes like any other ML out there. Carcel is actually the costar with Ines. He’s not just Ines’s ML. He’s so much more than what is portrayed in the manhwa and it’s kind of a shame that all people see is a golden retriever, obsessive simp but it’s really the manhwa that has reduced him to this.

oh yea i will agree with that 100% ... i though you were agreeing with op firts comment ...

I'm glad you enjoy the manhwa.
But it's still a no for me.

Just a personal reason, honestly. Whenever I come across a manhwa with a playboy/manwhore/sleeps-around ML, I immediately drop it.

It reminds me of my father, who was a cheater and then married 3 other women. He always said, "I'll change, please forgive me," but no... womanizers never change. That's why I always get anxious with womanizer MLs. I can't forget how my father hurt my mom, and I hate it.

Fictional stories are my escape from reality. Why should I read something that will just irritate me?

This doesn't mean that this manhwa is bad tho.
It got high rating I'm sure the story is amazing.

Don’t read it. Some are just explaining and why it is part of the story. I hate both sleeping-around ML and FL. But this one doesn’t make me as bothered because the ML was neglected for years and because the FL planned this. So we got a manipulative abuser FL, so I don’t feel as bad cause she sure doesn’t.

And I’m sorry you had to have a deadbeat father, someone who should’ve been a good role of a parent. Womanizers can change, but that depends on the person. Your dad for sure as hell isn’t someone redeemable. I think you may have some trauma relating to your personal life, I’m saying that because I absolutely detest cheaters and have intense cheating thoughts due to my OCD and other issues.

So I understand that some people will react strongly due to personal reasons. And I hope you start feeling better and hopefully your father receives the same treatment (being cheated on haha).

Jokes on u ml was devoted from the start. From their VERY FIRST LIFE WHERE HE AND INES WERE ORIGINALLY MARRIED. And no ines does not remember.

This is their fourth life now and she intentionally made him cheat. So if you can just shut your trap and get your yapping ass somewhere else. Let the rest of us enjoy the story without u oissy ass bitches ruining our fun. My god it's hard to like anything nowadays without people hating.

Fuck you

broo calling him a manwhore is too much, too much for a character you don't even know at all :/

I don’t think cursing the OP is nice (saying in general, not to you) or hating on them for it too much.

As for the manwhore part, yeah he’s not that. And I’d be much more worried about a manipulator over a person who was forced into the marriage and didn’t want to be in the marriage, Carcel even cried.

But that was in another life it doesn't count in my eyes for me it has to be playgirl FL x playboy ML or both having no lovers I can't stand playboy MLs

I read for both tbh if it doesn't have pretty art no matter how good the story is I can't get into it lol

I've read the spoilers now and I still think he's an ex-manwhore bc he slept around with multiple women ex-manwhore MLs are fine with me if FL has also slept around but otherwise no thanks

ikr. Honestly their opinion would've valid if they read the latest updates or the novel but nope. Decided to be an ass and spread misinformation

why are you going so hard for a fictional character girlie chill please go outside "she intentionally made him cheat" did she make him slip on a banana and slide his d!ck inside another girl or something like LOL ?? (I have read the spoilers and I still don't really like him but I do get why people do he's just not the type I would want with Ines)

The "intentionally made him cheat" sounds like the excuses people make for characters' bad actions bc "brainwashing" (example: Claude from WMMAP) or whatever like no I'll still hold them accountable and dislike them thanks )

Tbh I mainly commented bc I didn't get warned about him sleeping around before reading and I wish I would have been warned!!! I didn't want to read spoilers but i guess I'll have to do that from now on

Im sure the story is well written I already said that in the comments the high ratings are there for a reason obviously "sleeping with the whole nation" is an exaggeration but I mainly wanted to warn people about the ML sleeping around before deciding to read it because I wish I would have been warned!!! And I wasn't it!! Was doing it for the selective few like me who are very picky on MLs

Where did I spread misinformation it's the truth that he slept around a lot??? I've caught up on spoilers and I still don't see what misinformation I spread? ML slept around while being engaged to MC that's a fact

i am pretty sure there are reviews tha emphasize that ml cheats on fl but i dont think you cared to look what you were reading so yea!. what you did was not a warning was a misdirection to over exaggeration to some that might like the story...

Yeah I usually like going into manwhas blind if they have high ratings but jdjfjdjfkdd yeah I shouldn't have I see that now but it's true that ML slept with multiple women?? So whether or not it's "the whole nation" if someone is bothered by ML sleeping around I don't think they will care how many women he slept with???

╮(￣▽￣)╭ eh

correction not fully blind bc I read the top comments on here but I don't go to the spoiler page or anything to look at the novel and stuff but yeah that's on me I think I've gotten lucky with my manwhas so I was overconfident

You would want for Ines. Who are you to Ines to decide for Ines? Hate him all you want but you don’t get to decide for Ines. Inés is NOTHING like readers who hate Carcel. She never hated him in her life. In fact, Ines is the kind of person who hates anyone who hates Carcel. It’s so funny how she wanted to kill at least three people who so much as scratch Carcel. So stop claiming YOU think you know what she would want.

Their opinion is their opinion. That’s all. What I find amazing is the way they think they know Ines and get to decide for her. What they don’t know is that Ines doesn’t think like them at all. Even when they see Ines tried to get Carcel to sleep with others, they’re still blind to the fact that sleeping with others mean nothing to Ines until ch 74. Now is the time that Ines would set fire to Carcel if he cheated on her. In the novel, Ines absolutely dislikes it when Carcel apologizes for his pre-marital past. I wonder why she does that. I think I know why.

“did she make him slip on a banana and slide his d!ck inside another girl or something like LOL ”

It’s called manipulation and it’s explained in the novel iirc. Ines wanted that to happen, it’s part of her plan. And even if he’s with her, he didn’t want to be. Neither of them did, and Ines neglected Carcel between the ages of 16 and 20 or more years (it’s better explained in novel).

Ines did that so Carcel wouldn’t ever fall for her and her plan would progress (but it didn’t of course). Making him feel unloved, no contact nothing.

Manipulation vs brainwash are not the same I think.

But he would’ve been the most loyal had both loved each other and Ines hadn’t used him for her plan. There’s more nuance than just “cheating”.

I quoted cheating because it’s not to me, they weren’t married at the time and he stopped when he realized Ines is trying to get him to sleep around more. And worst of what he had as a kid, he was forced into the marriage; political marriage.

I see FLs who are neglected by their husbands and forced marriages, everyone shits on the husband, but why not Ines here? The double standards are insane. Women are no less than men, and men are no less. But of course society can’t have that equality.

Manipulation and brainwashing are the same to me bc in either or they both get their brains messed with and aren't fully in control of their actions making them act out of character

Manipulation and brainwashing are the same to me bc in either or they both get their brains messed with and aren't fully in control of their actions making them act out of character

Manipulation and brainwashing are the same to me bc in either or they both get their brains messed with and aren't fully in control of their actions making them act out of character

I view it as cheating because he was engaged I am aware not everyone views it like this hence why I keep stressing that this is a ME and a MY preferences problem)

I don't really like Ines here either? Never really said that but to me she's better than him because she didn't sleep around while being engaged lol if she had slept around too I would have been like PERFECT you two deserve each other!! (I am aware she had other people in the past TLs those don't count in my eyes btw) my problem with her also is that she dropped her plan so fast in the manwha it had me thinking I missed a part or something I was like really??? just like that???

I have a high standard for both!! Shitty MLs won't be tolerated nor will bland pushover FLs! There are too many romances out there I think people are allowed to be picky lol (don't make this a man vs woman issues bc obviously me judging fictional characters has nothing to do with my views on real people

I view it as cheating because he was engaged I am aware not everyone views it like this hence why I keep stressing that this is a ME and a MY preferences problem)

I don't really like Ines here either? Never really said that but to me she's better than him because she didn't sleep around while being engaged lol if she had slept around too I would have been like PERFECT you two deserve each other!! (I am aware she had other people in the past TLs those don't count in my eyes btw) my problem with her also is that she dropped her plan so fast in the manwha it had me thinking I missed a part or something I was like really??? just like that???

I have a high standard for both!! Shitty MLs won't be tolerated nor will bland pushover FLs! There are too many romances out there I think people are allowed to be picky lol (don't make this a man vs woman issues bc obviously me judging fictional characters has nothing to do with my views on real people

My argument has always been what’s wrong with a cheater marrying a cheater. Inés was very much in a romantic relationship when she dubcon a literal stranger mere three months before her wedding in the previous timeline. Inés herself admits she’s a cheater. So not sure why people hear arguing for her when it’s nothing but a cheater marrying another cheater. At least Carcel was not in a romantic relationship with her while she was in a romantic relationship when she sit on the stranger’s genitalia. Actually, both her and the painter are cheaters because painter knew who she was and gave in to his lust when she sat on his banana.

to me what she did in her past life doesn't really matter lol we're talking about her CURRENT life where she DID NOT cheat so like ??? If Ines says she's a cheater then that's what SHE thinks she is but I personally don't view her as a cheater in THIS TL lol I don't think her sins of the past bear any weight in her current TL even if she thinks otherwise. If she had slept with people and had a lover in THIS TL with Carcel and society in general KNOWING I would have been fine with Carcel also cheating ¯_(ツ)_/¯ people have said she is neglectful but I don't see her being neglectful as an excuse for Carcel's cheating lol an explanation? sure but not an excuse

It doesn’t change the fact that she’s a cheater and it will be addressed in this current timeline. At least the author didn’t let it slide. It shows she’s not biased between her two leads and she herself comes out all the time to publicly state her Fl and ML are flawed people and are both wrong.

I guess that's just another difference between our views to me there is nothing to "let slide" bc past TL actions shouldn't be punished in present TL in my opinion and yeah I do agree that they are both flawed lol it's just that the FL flaws (neglect + manipulation from what I've gathered?) are fine with me but the "cheating while engaged" which is one of Carcels flaws is a flaw that I can't read past lol (again keep in mind that although FL cheated in the past because it's another TL it doesn't really count its a huge whatever for me)

I have also seen the "it's a political marriage he didn't have a choice" and I still don't excuse the cheating (to people saying "oH iF tHiS wAs ReVeRsEd" I also don't excuse cheating FL unless the ML cheated first in the CURRENT TL tbh)

Bro neglecting someone you forced into a marriage IS worse than cheating. And they never established a relationship to call it cheating either. Political marriage means: Loveless in these times.

He never consented to this “relationship”.

No way you think sleeping around is worse than someone abusing you. (Let’s not forget Ines slapped Carcel twice, and she had no good reasons for it. So physical abuse, and mental).

Yes neglect, manipulation, and physical (where Ines hit Carcel). If you think all these combined is less bad than “cheating”, yikes, really tells about you.

It is double standards, I’ve seen way too many FLs that are neglected by their husbands and people shit on the husband for that. But here? He’s hated despite being forced.

I think now I see what you’re trying to say, it’s cheating to you, but to hate Carcel for it isn’t it. He didn’t ever want the engagement, how can you expect someone to accept the marriage? That is force and wrong.

Just because there is no love doesn't mean there is no responsibility ?? Break off the engagement first before sleeping around is the way I see it LOL divorce is VERY much on the table for him???? It is 100% an option?? there have been FL that have had it worse and been like "yknw what I'll run away" before deciding "yknw what let me fuck as many guys as I can" (I have read the spoilers so I understand more now but back when I first commented the way he decided to pay attention to her after she rejected him gave me a HUGE ick too his vibes are so wonky in the manwha)

Whoops hehe. That’s my bad. The definition is as you say: Brainwashing is a general term for techniques that manipulate a person's thoughts or actions against their will or knowledge.

Also if you don’t think that Carcel is irredeemable and that you don’t think what Ines did is less bad than Carcel’s “cheating”, then ignore my words to you.

Both of them did what they did because of certain situations. One felt unloved, neglected, and the other later felt bad for the neglect and using him/manipulating him to do what he did (sleeping around).

that’s why I do not think he’s irredeemable. If you hate ”cheating” to this extent, hopefully you do as well about Ines’ abuse.

If what happened in the previous timelines doesn’t matter in this timeline, why is it that Ines does not want Carcel to find out about her past? What is there to be ashamed of when it’s a new timeline? Also, why is the guy from her past leaving a medallion for her to find? It’s a new timeline so why is he meddling? Why are her past people interfering with her life in this new timeline if the previous timeline actions don’t matter? Everything will finally be settled in this timeline.

She slapped him once because he kissed her without her consent? I can't remember the other time lol but yeah to me cheating is worse than neglect sorry it's just a huge ick neglect can be explained and excused if there are outside factors in the equation lol cheating can be explained but not excused (also I am speficially talking about fictional characters in this!!)

How tf is a kid gonna break the engagement off? He got used to it too. Clearly the house escalate (Ines) is just as powerful, it isn’t easy to break off engagement in the older times.

I see it as running away from relationship when neither of them tried to form a connection during thei political marriage, and no, between a POLITICAL MARRIAGE—one is not obligated to accept nor take the responsibilities if they never CONSENTED.

And what do you mean divorce? He didn’t ”cheat” when he married. Sure his action wasn’t the best decision bhr had he not done what he did, Ines would’ve probably moved to another man or forced him to do it. It is something important for her plan, she has to use him to divorce him later, I forgot the whole plan but yeah.

I think he’s the one whose paid most attention to her though?? Iirc. It’s Ines who’s neglected him and he eventually gave up (novel). I don’t think the manhwa is as detailed as novel so there’s that.

Also I apologize for my harsh words. I can get off hands sometimes.

It tells about me that I have high standards for fictional characters and am really picky and yeah lol (some might even say narrow minded but I think I am allowed to be lol if I was open minded I'd be reading 3.0 star harem isekai romances)

Who says I wouldn't be cheering for him to leave Ines? I'm all for it lol what I'm not up for is the cheating. Break the engagement! Plot an assassination! Put poison in her tea! Sure why not it's the cheating for me lol

People assume I'm biased toward Ines in truth I don't really care for her either lol she folded too soon too quickly for me enjoyment

Yeah! It's the cheating! If he had taken any other action it would have been fine for me lol cheating is a deal breaker for me! I don't really hate him I just don't want to cheer for him. I don't expect him to accept it? I just don't really like the dynamic between them I think Ines should have taken in a few lovers or slept around a little too

…you’re saying cheating is worse than neglect. Yeah that says a lot. In some situations where it’s like:

A cheats on B by will and because A loves other women and sex. And B loves A but can’t stop A from cheating. But this isn’t that situation.

And no Ines didn’t slap him once. Also could you share me the chapter where he kissed without her consent? I may have forgotten cause I think it’s in earlier chapters.

There was another time where she did slap him and I didnt see him doing anything without consensual (early chapters).

Neglect can be explained and cheating can too.
How come neglect can be explained but cheating apparently can’t be to you? Especially in this case where Carcel NEVER CONSENTED to marriage.

If Ines being kissed by Carcel and did not consent to kiss makes you mad, how come his consent towards the engagement doesn’t matter? So her consent matters, but his doesn’t. I see how it is.

Neglect also can’t be excused. Especially in this case where Ines, a grown woman in a kid’s body (at start of this timeline) forced engagement with Carcel, and abused him.

Why are you telling me you’re talking about fictional characters? Haha I’m aware, but it does not change the fact that it is realistic portrayal of mental health and trauma. Fiction or not.

You may have some projection there with how strongly you react to cheating. Or maybe other issues related to cheating and the hurt you feel(?), not to offend lol but it seems like that. And it’s actually real so yeah.

I would’ve agreed had you not said him “cheating” is worse than the abuse Ines did to him. Abuse and cheating is just as bad, but abuse is worse here because she wanted the “cheating” to happen and didn’t care.

Now if Carcel cheated during their marriage where they committed finally, then I would’ve agreed with you mostly. But he didn’t, this was before.

Ines is too stuck with her trauma to be fooling around. And I’m glad she didn’t, it wouldn’t make sense with her character. As for Carcel, he was manipulated into it, not that he loved doing it. There’s a difference.

I also don’t like characters that sleep around regardless if they’re together or single, but I’m just glad author doesn’t show the sex and that there’s an explanation for it.

As you said, neglect can be explained. And so can cheating! But both can’t be excused in some situations.

He could have just bid his time and done his own plotting lol of course as a kid he had no say but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way

I think in a time where political marriages are normal I don't really see it as "poor him" like political marriages are normal! It was going to happen eventually lol especially bc lovers after marriage is also very normalized (the queen even has a harem???)

What I meant by divorce was that if he was THAT unwilling to marry her he could have plotted for her to divorce him no matter what or something a long those lines idk give me some fighting spirit Carcel!!! Him folding so quickly for Ines makes his cheating look even more icky

I do agree that the manwha did him wrong (cheating in my eyes makes me automatically place him in the no thanks category) but objectively speaking I feel like the pacing of the manwha feels too fast? He went from seemingly cheating scumbag to whipped golden retriever so quickly I was like huh???? + all his jealousy at the start doesn't really hit me as something cute mainly bc I'm always like "who are you to feel jealous???"

It's fine lol apology accepted! I can see he means a lot to you or you just really like him? I do get why people like him he has a lot more depth than like 60% of MLs in manwhas haha he's just not for me!

I don’t remember the exact reason why he didn’t divorce but most likely it’s about Ines’s status if HE divorces her. Women divorced by men in that time is more looked down than men divorced by women I think, or about both but yeah.

Carcel isn’t someone who’d just dump someone and leave them behind. Sure his actions may be icky to some but that is just one flaw of him, not that he’s irredeemable or BAD. Nope. And I don’t think the folded that quickly, but honestly be so serious, who wouldn’t fold for her that quick after she gives you attention?

I wouldn’t say he’s a scum bag, too far in my opinion, cause he’s actually the one who helps develop Ines’s character and the story progresses due to his kind nature, and other elementa and situations/people in story.

He’s always been kind. You can tell from the time he was a kid and up to a man, he’s never changed. And yes, there are raging hormones, and being neglected will change stuff, people aren’t pure and flawless after all.

I like both main characters. I enjoy reading some angst and flawed characters. Cheating is human nature unfortunately, be it in relationships OR other situations that aren’t romantic exactly.

I used to react strongly until I came across this. So there are reasons why some do the things they do, but I of course wouldn’t recommend in real life.

With how much you hate this “cheating”, I can’t imagine how you react to the plain cheating where a person cheats on their loved ones and the author shows the sex between them.

Don’t ever read those Chinese BL novels, especially Novel 188 stories :)

I think I started to react less towards cheating because of how much I read those toxic ass MLs from BL novels. The ML there would just treat Mc as a pet, cheat on him with another, emotional and physical sometimes. And sex scene would be described, the ML being ruthless and abusive as hell; neglecting, cheating, physical.

Divorce is considered disgraceful by nobles. Inés said people would rather murder their spouse than divorce them. Carcel would never think of divorce. What the manhwa doesn’t tell readers is that Carcel was prepared to live like a monk after marriage. He said marriage d a vow before God so he was never going to commit adultery after marriage even if his marriage was lacking.

As to plotting, Carcel is not a schemer. It’s kind of ironic that people call him all sorts of names when he is a better person than her. Inés would admit that quite readily and frankly. That’s why she calls him a pushover all the time. Even her father calls him a pushover.

Carcel always has the propensity to love Ines. He’s naturally attracted to her. It’s like that in every timeline. He fell for her over the early months of their marriage because he naturally likes her.

Yeah it's in the early chapters! Can't remember what chapter exactly but she mentions that she doesn't want kissing but is okay with sex and he of course kisses her hence why she slaps him lol I think that slap was very well deserved! (Idk about the other one)

Hm that is a good point! Tbh I used to really really dislike neglect too! I guess it's just that I've read other manwha where I've seen neglect happen like "Honey I'm going on strike" so I eventually got won over lol neglect is still very much a "maybe" line but it's not totally irredeemable for me! Unlike cheating! The ML sleeping around isn't a problem if the FL sleeps around too maybe I'm just too scarred from the fuckboy ML x virgin-esque pure FL era to appreciate it at this point

Tbh I'm mainly saying it bc I brush aside a lot of stuff in fiction so maybe I've become desensitized to how bad the neglect in this manwha should be viewed as lol (although I still don't think he has it as bad as the FL from "honey I'm going on strike" in her first life)

Nah it's just one of those things I don't really like lol it's like disliking pushover FL they also give me an ick so I automatically avoid them!

They’ve been together in every lifetime, right?

And yes that’s what I meant to say: Divorce isn’t seen as something okay in their society. It’s horrific or something for them, tsk, noble people I tell you.

Oh okay, no worries . I mean I reacted strongly before despite being a virgin and bitch less so yeah.

I suppose so tbh I don't really think Ines is in the right nor do I like her enough to defend her lol

I still think an engagement should be honored so agree to disagree there whether he slept around before (in the time of his engagement I mean) or after marriage doesn't make much of a difference for me!

I disagree I bet he loved being with those other women otherwise he wouldn't have gotten it up and kept doing it lol. I don't really like people saying he was forced into cheating. Was he fed cheating propaganda? Yes. Was he persuaded? Yes. But he wasn't drugged and dragged onto a bed and tied up with tape in his mouth or something lol he made his own choices.

Yeeh glad there was an explanation! It just leaves much to be desired from me hence my previous example of the brainwashing trope lol. I keep getting bounced between "he is flawed" and "he was forced" and to me the "he was forced"="he is innocent" and I don't really think that is the case lol I don't think you can force someone to cheat

Yeah agreed! I take back my previous statements lol both can't be excused!

He’s loved her in every timeline because he’s naturally attracted to her no matter her bad personality and her unfriendliness towards him in all timelines. That’s another reason why we know he’s a kind person because no matter how shitty she was to him, he was always kind to her. Just wait until the hidden timeline is revealed. It shows plainly how much kinder of a person Carcel is in comparison to her. This is why she’s the one who gets the most development.

Force and manipulated aren’t the same I don’t think. As for the sex with other women, I mean the body wouldn’t hate it obviously. But his heart wasn’t in love or fulfilled by any of those women.

I don’t think him being manipulated means innocent either.

Jfjfidi then he's just a big pushover so like??? It still doesn't really make me like him more because why is he acting like he cares about her reputation when he sleeps around while being engaged to her?

I mean I would assume that all those years of him hating being engaged to her would kick in and give him a little bit of a wall?? Lol otherwise AGAIN what was the POINT of him sleeping around bc he "moved on and doesn't care about her" and then folding bc she's pretty? To prove that bro thinks with his d!ck? Aaaaaaaaa I never said he was a bad person or anything he's just not the type of character I like lol

SEEMINGLY cheating trash I feel like that's the way the audience is meant to think of him until stuff slowly gets explained! Of course he's not actually a scumbag! It's just a first impression lol but yeah I still think it was a bit too fast bro was already feeling jealous of Ines' supposed other lover(s) in less than 20 chapters like ew who are you to get jealous again???

agreed to that lol they are both flawed characters tbh I'm not really into either of them

Cheating in my opinion can only be readable in cheater x cheater lol otherwise it's a huge no for me. I understand Carcel had his reasons but it's not good enough for meeee haha

I've never read something like that before thankfully blah it sounds horrible!!! I definitely won't!! I'm the type to think cheaters are irredeemable tbh if the MC doesn't drop them then I drop the novel! Lol either way somethings getting dropped!

Kfkdkdkd we are like the complete opposite haha I got SO fed up with smirking fuckboy seme x virgin blushy uke that everytime I see a playboy seme or ML I get a HUGE ick LOL I've always been picky with my BLs too so thankfully I've never gotten into those type of sex scenes lol

I don't really see why he kept doing it then lol. He did it once, felt empty and yet kept at it? it just seems very pointless. I mean I guess it's better than if he DID enjoy it ?? But not by much in my eyes tbh like could bro not have gotten some friends or something ? Found a hobby? It HAD to be sleeping around lol eeh it's just not for me

True but in a case those were 3 separate life times. First she had hope, she was happy, and committed but her husband turned out to be a bastard. The second was an escape. And the third was also supposed to be her escape, but this time a successful one but the path has deviated drastically. Ultimately while she has been with other men, two of them were meant for her to be independent and happy. When Carcel cheated it was more for lust and I guess in a way to throw it at Ines since in a chapter it revealed that he was unaware that she was sick and thought she hated him.

So what if Carcel lived his life how he saw fit? What the tell does he owe a woman he didn’t give a shit about him? At least that woman just admitted in this chapter that it’s true she didn’t give a shit about him. It’s not even like they were together during the engagement period. Carcel basically walked away. What’s so hard to understand about that. While she was caught up in her memories about another man, he was living her life far from a woman who never cared one iota about him. Inés rightly thinks he has no reason to feel sorry about his past because she didn’t give a shit about him and she knows it.

So what if Carcel lived his life how he saw fit? What the hell does he owe a woman who didn’t give a shit about him? At least that woman just admitted in this chapter that it’s true she didn’t give a shit about him. It’s not even like they were together during the engagement period. Carcel basically walked away. What’s so hard to understand about that. While she was caught up in her memories about another man, he was living his life far from a woman who never cared one iota about him. Inés rightly thinks he has no reason to feel sorry about his past because she didn’t give a shit about him and she knows it.

Girl why are you still here I won't change my opinion please move on go read "Saving My Sweetheart" it'll heal you up LOL some people won't read a manwha simply because the FL has blonde hair or bc they don't like the way the ML looks lol it's the same thing for me I don't like the manwha because Carcel slept around while engaged to MC simple as that it's just different tastes lol idk what else you want from me ??

Btw i don't really care if they were together romantically or not an engagement needs to be respected imo (I wouldn't cheer for a FL that got together with the ML before she/he broke her/his first engagement off unless her/his fiance was cheating on her/him first either soooo)

Also "that woman" the way you talk about Ines makes me think you're really Carcel biased? like that's cool and all but respect the people that dislike him for the flaws that he has LOL not everyone has to like him ??

Omg same i like him ( I'm only on 5th chapter)

At ch 20 rn. He's cute but boring ( atleast for now )

I meant the Duke

He's cute!! I love that he doesn't have any bias against her (´•︵•`)

The only thing the duke has going for him is his looks but Watson is hotter in my eyes... (╥﹏╥)

I changed my mind lol, the watson guy is so suspicious and i like how the duke likes her secretly and was swayed by her cheap compliments , he's a loser in love i like it

I stopped at chapter 11 Watson comforting her hurt my heart aaaaa (╥﹏╥)

Me too but I continued reading and bro is sus

I read some spoilers and some people were complaining for the same reason that Cordelia was always shown as the weaker one compared to Jude… I hope this won’t happen that much in the manhwa

No come backkk, give it another chance I love how there thought process are the same, giving soul mates