brookeisnotcreative's Topics (10)

I never heard a kidnap Jaekyung theory before is it even doable with that BUILT I also hope dan bby's the one to get kidnapped :ccc

someone said it, but yeah it would def be hard to do unless they sneak up on him, but i don’t want dan to get kidnapped, he’s went through enough with those guys already

frr you'd have to drug jae but that already flopped LOL and I do think mingwa is going with dan kidnapped ://// but there's also the possibility of trying to buy him off for him to betray jae

truuueee! and he might actually do that now that he has a little bit of a right mind

in dan we trust so yes delulu is solulu

i agree

no one acts like other manhwas aren't the same, it's a well known fact that most bl tropes are toxic and have abusive undertones. it doesn't really matter if jaekyung gets 'character development', it doesn't erase the fact that he sexually exploits dan and is a problematic character. obviously jaekyung is going to become a better person and end up with dan, but that's a problem in itself. it's okay for manhwas to have dark themes, it's fiction, but the issue is that most of these stories, romanticise it instead of criticising it. so many bl manhwas depict r*pe and abuse, but the characters always end up together. for people who can't seperate fiction and reality, they start to think that kind of behaviour is excusable.

take killing stalking for example, obviously very messed up, but not once did the author ever romanticise it or excuse any character's behaviour. i totally get what you're saying about jaekyung providing dan with things like food, housing and a job, but the problem is that jaekyung uses his power and money to exploit dan, who doesn't have the means to support himself.

i'm not trying to attack you or anything (lol) but it's just really important for people to understand that jaekyung is not a good person, and his actions can't be redeemed or excused, no matter the character development he goes through. you can definitely still read bls like this, but just seperate fiction from reality.

It's true, BL is messes up some times lol. Look at the BL called Sissy and you'll see the MC has friends that get him out of that situation but the main character keeps coming back in contact with that abuse and it's an emotional roller coaster. So if I can read that I can definitely read Jinx lol

You're talking like it's only Bl that romanticizes sexual assault. A lot of popular movies and straight novels, anime, and a lot of media in different forms romanticize many bad things. So why is the blame only going to Bls? Y'all should chill tf out because any adult should be educated on this shit. Kids should also be wrong reading this. Romanticize this, romanticize that, it's fiction, and a lot of things are romanticized irl. It isn't always due to the media we consume.

I just feel a lot of people are sensitive and considering Jinx is now popular, y'all are trying to look for the fittest means to drag an author down just because she's trying to form a bond between two imperfect and suffering characters. Fiction is wild, it makes us see things we don't get to see irl, we get to explore the wild and anyone should know what is preferable for them. Anyone should know their morals and be able to differentiate whatsoever. The problem is you, don't blame this on the story lmao.

AGREED!!!

when did i ever say that other media doesn't romanticise it? it's just a more common problem with bl. im not targeting this author specifically or people who read this, i literally read it too. so many bl authors use their stories to justify sexual assault, and it honestly just makes it seem like a fetish. why is it necessary to show r*pe scenes in full? you can still get your point across without it. almost every single bl i come across has sexual assault in it, so it's obviously a much larger problem. you said you can seperate media and fiction, that's great, but a lot of people can't.

I actually don't have a problem with authors who show rape scenes in full as long as there's a disclaimer, or sometimes during the scenes, maybe they have details that will be mentioned. I also don't see rape in Jinx, I only see abuse. But above all that, like I said before, it's all about preference. And as you said, not all can differentiate between fiction and reality, that is why people like that are the problem. It is not the author’s duty to change his/her story just because some readers are complaining about it. Y'all should read something you're more comfortable with. Jinx is not a fluffy romance or whatever, it's a toxic relationship in a toxic story, and if y'all bunch of sensitive readers can't handle that, then gtfo.

This type of trope has been existing for years, so what are y'all even complaining about? Do you really think if you speak out on romanticization, the trope will die down? Y'all better be real lol. And I honestly don't even think the author wants to romanticize abuse, she’s simply making a homoerotic relationship between two imperfect characters who are suffering. Just like painter of the night, they are so similar.

okay i'm sorry but do you not have any media literacy at all? HMM, let me think! why would it be bad and problematic for authors to romanticise abuse and sexual assault? gee, i don't know!

and it's funny how you're comparing this to potn, which is a story built around power imbalance and class struggle - seungho literally used his power and influence to sexually assault a lowborn. but hey, he got character development and they ended up together! his actions can be excused, right?

i swear some of you can't think logically..

cid...im afraid that you ATE that

thank you user pingpong!♀

Whoever said his action was excused? Lmao. He suffered for everything he put the uke through. Bro even wanted to sacrifice himself for the uke even after all the bad things he did to Nakyum. Isn't that enough to excuse his behavior as long as he made up for it? Yes, his action cannot be forgotten but it can be dealt with and forgiven. Isn't that how life works? Prisoners are given a period of time to suffer and make up for their sins before they are bailed out, it's the same thing happening here.

And like you said, power imbalance and class struggle, that is exactly what is going on in Jinx. Thanks for stating that.

you clearly don't get it... nakyum and seungho's relationship started with seungho kidnapping him, then forcefully having sex with him, and not allowing him to leave or get out that situation, which were things he could do because of his power. their relationship was built around abuse and manipulation, and seungho's actions can't be in any situation. but still, they end up together and seungho became a 'better person', so yes - his actions were excused.

it's not 'how life works', sexual assault is one of the, if not worst, crimes a person can commit. it's so disgusting and inhumane, and committed purely for the oppressor's selfishness. at least some other crimes can be explained or justified.

Stop saying they were excused as if he didn't suffer for anything at all because he did! Seungho suffered a ton just to protect Nakyum. And even looking at the prehistoric setting, lowborns were seen as tools and were never justified(which is wrong according to our contemporary), you should understand the setting before you think “Why did lord seungho not get arrested for doing that to a low born???” No one would even think of things like that in their time, Low-born born we're seen as slaves, so in what way would you want to justify his actions??

Dan cannot even accuse Jk of abusing him. Think of the setting of the story before you say they're romanticizing shit.

And bruh, if Seungho and Nakyum didn't end up together, do you know the amount of readers that would be disappointed??

Think of domestic violence, if a mother slaps her child once and apologizes and the child forgives the mother, does that mean that the slap was romanticized?? Let's be for real bruh…oh nah

THEY WERE EXCUSED BECAUSE THEY ENDED UP TOGETHER!!!!! oh my god. obviously i get the historical context but my point still stands. it was abuse. it can still be applied to the joseon era, seungho even acknowledged that what he was doing was wrong. "seungho suffered too!" okay and? what does that have to do with him being an abuser? no amount of suffering will ever make r*pe okay.

exactly my point. so many readers wanted them to end up together that they ignore the sexual assault, the manipulation, the kidnapping, etc. they want them to be together despite the fucked up circumstances.

your comparison doesn't really make sense. i said seungho and nakyum's relationship was romanticised, despite seungho repeatedly sexually assaulting him - they ended up together and all was forgiven! i don't get what you're trying to say about domestic violence, could you explain it a bit better?

And what if they ended up together??? Is seungho still hurting Dan?? Seungho has proven to Nakyum that he truly cares and loves him! So what is stopping them from being together?? Because he was abused by him in the past?? Things change, people change and that's what matters! Being happy is what matters!! Many situations like this are realistic!! I've seen it happen before my eyes!! So cut this romanticization shit when you can't comprehend the situation. Love is not a choice! It's not something we can all control! It's better to think of what will all be better for us, what truly makes us happy. It was once a toxic relationship but it isn't anymore. Live with that.

That's the thing! The SEXUAL ASSAULT was not ignored!!! It was only forgiven when he made up for his sins!!! Do you want to keep living in the past???

Do you see how Nakyum has changed Seungho?? You can't tell me you're NOT HAPPY for them!!!

Please leave that bullshit example, I just made that up cause I was trying to express my point well.

It's just like a situation with God and his people.

Yo you gotta ignore that person, they ain't got no media literacy or anything, they just gonna trap you into a useless argument.

i understand what you’re saying and thanks for not attacking me lmao, i get scared to share my opinion online because a lot of people don’t agree with it and like most people, i don’t like to be attacked for a simple opinion, but n e ways

of course his character development won’t excuse his actions, but it’s still good to get that character development so dan can live a happier life, i don’t want his grandma to pass but i know she will and i don’t want him to be left with no one who cares about him, i wish it was someone else but if jaekyung is the only thing we have, then we have to make do

it’s interesting to think of that perspective of people who may not be able to distinguish between fiction and reality but i hope to god no one reads it and thinks what jaekyung does is okay. the thing is, most people do know, that’s why so many hate this bl and jaekyung, because he sexually abused dan on multiple occasions and they know that, i doubt the author thinks r*pe is okay, but they want that friction in the story, the people need someone to hate, and it’s gotta be jaekyung

even if the character development won’t excuse his past actions, i still hope we get to see his life and why he ended up the way he is, it’s obvious throughout the story that jaekyung struggles with a lot of things, not an excuse of course, but sir needs therapy

but frfr i hope we get a real deep dive during the story into his past so we can get a bigger picture, he’s a bad person yes, but most people like that grow up with some type of psychological issues that stem from their parents or how they lived when they were younger and it may not be only his fault he turned out that way, and even though his past actions will always remain wrong, he can still change, doesn’t mean people need to forgive him though, and they shouldn’t feel obligated to

i can't even be bothered replying to this person anymore they clearly won't understand no matter how much i dumb it down for them

yeah i mean i think jaekyung's past would explain more about why he acts the way he does - though it wouldn't excuse his actions. i'm just sad that stories like this one, which are considered 'romance' almost always use sexual assault as a plot device instead of actually exploring the consequences of it. yeah haha i'm not trying to disregard your opinion or argue with you!

Oh no @yoonald! You exposed me!

I'm actually toying with you. Just wanted to argue for real, a trolling method lol. Hope you're not offended?

oh yeah of course it wouldn’t excuse it at all, but it would still be good to know! so i hope the author has a good reason for him to be acting this way (ain’t no reason good enough tbh) but i understand, it shouldn’t feel like the underlying plot of the story, but i do feel these types of arcs in plots help the story to be more in peoples face, if that makes any sense, we hate to see what’s happening to dan but we keep reading to see what happens next, even if we hate jaekyung, it’s a twisted way of humans but again of course nothing will excuse his actions but i hope you understand what i’m trying to say anyways

Yopald was the one that trap you and TM into a useless argument. When you both wanted to hear their thoughts and they could only troll you. They were just talking about themselves.

The problem comparing to killing stalking is that is not really a bl story. Jaekyung does not use his power and money to exploit Dan. Jaekyung is toxic but he is a good person too. He is just stuck acting like 14 year old. You are trying to make him sound a lot worse than he is. He could be worse. Hogu Hagyeongsu the seme watches MC to be gang raped. He stalks him and he even killed someone. That seme his actions can't be redeemed. Jaekyung is no where close and can be redeemed. He is not excused for his toxic behavior. How about you take you own advice because your comment here shows you comparing to reality.

Ditto.

You must be reading the wrong BLs. If people can't separate fiction and reality they show not be reading these types of stories.
You are wasting time and energy on something you can't change. These stories will keep existing and continue to be made for years. You can at least try to understand where they are coming from instead of being a sjw.

You are sounded like other haters. His actions can be excused? The actions can't never be excused. The action in 34 is never excusable. It was hideous. He can be excused if he changes. It seems he never learned and when he learns he will change. If we go by your logic no one will be forgiven. You drew on the wall when you were a kid, your parents should never excuse you because that was wrong. You got mad and punch someone, you should never be excused.
People that were drunk and killed someone that action is never excused but the person in some cases are forgiven. They will lived with that for the rest of their lives . They killed someone but you want them to be punished everyday for an action that happen 20 years ago and they have repented for since. We would be a very uncaring world.
People who don't change are never excused. Pedophiles, rapists, and murders are never excused for those actions. They never change. You are still bring reality into this.

What if it is you that is not getting it? why the degradation? Can you talk civil?
Why" i swear some of you can't think logically.."
Why "you clearly don't get it"

I would not compare Jinx to potn. Sexual assault is a hideous rime but there are worst crimes like murder. Some sexual assault is touching that happens once. I am afraid being confided to cage for most your life is worst than something unwanted touching that happen for a few seconds one time.
Some sexual assault is one of the worst crimes. However, for the more serious crimes like rape, the rapist could only get 1 year when they altered someone's life permanently or they walk free. There is a backlog of rape kits that has never been process. If you care about sexual assault how about fighting a real life battle and put rapist in jail than fighting something so trivial. And here is another one where you are adding reality to a fictional story. No real person is harm in this story.
Why don't you fight for the real victims in real life? Like my friends and I do.

You are right no amount of suffering will ever make rape okay.

Why are you caring so much about a fictional stories? why to you put * for the a in rape?
where they excused?

I see that you care but it is a fictional story for entertainment and an out for many people who understand historical context and toxic stories. You are getting upset but it seems you need to take a breath.

I agree. I think many would agree with you but no on this page. They think illegal site means freedom to do anything they want. No one should be attacked for a simple opinion. The grandma could live, we don't know.

Why write that? That is awful. It seems you were just forcing yourself on Manhwascipy and not having a real conversation with him. Do I have to dumb down things for you? Cyberbullying and degrading others. You are insulting him instead of talking to him. He will understand. He is very smart. However, it just seems you are forcing yourself instead of listening too.

I can think of a few good reasons but i doubt if she will take the route. Never will excuse his toxic actions, like chapter 34. He will regret that.
The writer for "Amazing Grace" he was a slave trader who became a minister. He changed and tried to help as many people as he could. He become a slavery abolitionist. He learned and he did hold regret. his actions of being a slave trader is never excusable. He tried to attune for his actions. He could be forgiven. but with the logic of CICI he has to be punished everyday. He did punish himself as he ended slavery and help others. People do change.

Jaekyung will have character development and he will change. His toxic behavior is not excusable but he will not be that person anymore. It is forgiving him not excusing his behavior. Forgiveness is a superpower you can unleash on yourself and others. It can help you overcome fear, guilt and pain. It can improve your professional and personal relationships. And it can help you become a “bigger” person—one who rises above external circumstances and inner criticism to occupy stronger, higher ground.

......... I am sorry to say you suck at it. Which is a good thing.

Mornings, I think they need to read up more on Romanticism so they can understand the point you've passed. I hope they do because your words were detailed.

i compared it to killing stalking because it's a great example of not romanticising sexual assault. jaekyung does use his power and money to exploit dan lmao, it's the main core of this story. he uses dan's financial situation to make him perform sexual acts. is that not literally the definition of exploitation..? jaekyung is simply not a good person no matter how you try to twist it. sure he can get character development but at this point in the story he isn't a good person.. did you forget how he shouts at and demeans dan constantly, the soda incident, showing him having sex to another person without dan's consent, etc. comparing him to worse tops in other stories isn't going to make him any better lol.

girl stfu oh my godddd this literally sounds like you just made another account to defend yourself so fucking embarassing

You're the embarrassing one for assuming such. Me and mornings are friends on here, we are two persons who defended each other a couple of times. You are just look for a method to save yourself from being wrong. You're just being pathetic fr

You clearly do not understand this story and it shows. You make Jaekyung worse than he actually is. Someone who donated to a charity and you have the audacity to not call him a good person deep down. As a person who has an athlete friend, the way Jaekyung treated Dan before than match was quite understandable and realistic. Athletes tend to become scared, stressed, and uneasy before a match, which explains why he would treat Dan in such a manner, his actions weren't okay though but it explains why such would happen if you're familiar with the world. Before their contract started, Jae Kyung wasn't aware of Dan’s financial situation until he mentioned his grandma and saved him from the real rapists. He still offered to let Dan live in his home after finding out the kind of life he lived. Dan who even asked for more cash and you're saying Jaekyung exploited him with his money and power? That is not exploitation. He's paying money for it, so he should get the desired result from it. Dan is living so much better than before and you can't disagree. Dan only chose what was better for him, you have no say at all on Dan’s decision to stay with Jaekyung.

Calling me a girl.. I am not.
Then stfu.. that only proves my point.

When you make two people one person that is something trolls and cyberbullies do. You are embarrassing yourself with false claims. I did not do much with defending him. You make it sound I went all out.

You just want a sounding board or an echo chamber not to talk to people.

bl fans will go so far to defend sexual assault and r@pe istg... im refusing to reply any further since you're clearly ignorant and lack any media literacy

Again, Killing Stalking is not BL.
The real story of Jinx, Jaekyung does NOT use his power and money to exploit. You will not trick me on details on Jinx. I am not a hater or a troll to side with you as you wallow in hate. Your fake details are not the main core of Jinx. Jaekyung did not know about his financial situation until after and he never used it against him.
Jaekyung is a good person at times facts from the story. I am not twisting anything but I question you being a good person. People who trolls and cyberbullies are not. Most people who trolls others can't change. You could had talked to me but you are focusing your opinions on me and telling me to shut up. You are trying to control me and silence me. You can't.
There is no exploitation in Jinx. You are forgetting he is mostly quite and reservoir. Look up tsundere.
I have not forgotten the details of Jinx and that is why you can't fool me with your lies.
I said he acts like 14 year boy. He needs Dan to change him. He does shout and people shout. Husband and wife's shout.
you demean us. You were shouting at us. CICI "THEY WERE EXCUSED BECAUSE THEY ENDED UP TOGETHER!!!!! oh my god."
You are condescending. The soda incident would be part of the 14 year boy. You know some boys bully the ones the love. He should never poured that on him. It was disrespectful as you are.
However, CICI you should me you did not read my comments. I mentation "showing him having sex to another person without dan's consent" TWICE. I said what happen in chapter 34. In one of those comments I said he will regret that.
You are not here to talk, you are here to shove nonsense details down people throats and demean them when they correct you with the real details. And comparing him to worse seme in other stories is going to show he is not as bad as you make him out to be.
He is nothing compared to some.. Jaekyung is fictional in a fictional story while we are real people trying to talk to you but you can only demean us and troll us. We are real people you are trying to demean and disrespect.
People shouting is not sexual assault and not a marking for being a bad person.
demeaning someone it depends on the situation and how. Not sexual assault.
The soda incident...Did he poor acid on him? Did he disfigure him? This is a bad behavior but not sexual assault or a crime like that. We don't know what happen to him.

Bad behavior depending on many factors does not say if the person is bad. Are you a bad person? You have bad behavior.
showing him having sex to another person without dan's consent" It is bad. he will regret it..
However. your examples are bad behavior not showing he is a bad person or you are a bsd person.

Bad behavior. That is trolling. You are describing yourself since you can not talk to us.
but you are defending your rape pov. No one here is defending sexual assault or your pov of rape. There is no rape in Jinx. Our comments show we are not defending the sexual assault. You are demeaning him showing by your logic you are a bad person.

My friend would say here " When you judge others, you don't define them. you define yourself."
You can't define him. You are projecting you. It is disgusting how you would attack other people for telling you the truth.

what the fuck are you even going on about STOP REPLYING TO ME PLEASE!!!!!!! YOU'RE SO ANNOYING OH MY GOD

Cici used the troll, yoonald words and she used the same tactics the hate group used. They must had email cici and told her want to say.

Same old same old ignorant hate group BS. They are still targeting you Manhwaspicy with that same nonsense. She is just a childish hater that can't handle the truth.

More hate nonsense.
what toxic behavior. Your hate and how you immaturity handle conversations is what is annoying. Would you grow up and be mature? or do we have to go with your logic and label you a bad person for your bad behaviors I think you show who is ignorant and lack any literacy because I am clear. OR you are trolling and that makes you a bad person. Jaekyung will change and character development. Are you going to development or stay stuck harming real people with lies to feel better about yourself

My bad, I called Cid, Cici. I have a small screen and it looked like Cici. lol

Cid was told what to say and how to treat you. The sick mind game is still being played out. You may had talked to Cid on a different profile but Cid is followed and is following HML. They are repetitive and boring with the same lame BS since July. No real conversation with Cid will happen. Cid is a trolling to harm others to feel bad about themselves.

WHAT THE FUCK LMAOOOO

You keep saying I’m defending rape and SA when I’m not! How did this topic even come about? I only tried explaining to you the false assumptions you mentioned. So how in the hell am I defending rape and assault??? I explained more on exploitation and just because you received a different view of the story from me, you’re already getting crazy and accusing me of such disgusting terms. I see your trick now. It seems you have no definite reply cause you know you’re wrong.

Agreed! At this point, they're entertaining

Haha

Rape = no consent, telling you to stop but you keep going
He agreed to it at first but it didn’t mean Dan could have his way and keep going even when the uke repeatedly told him no.

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-129893/pg-32/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-129893/pg-42/


Dan consenting again.
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-130056/pg-17/


asking him to be gentler .... https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-130056/pg-31/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion#what-it-is
Sexual coercion is when a person pressures, tricks, threatens, or manipulates someone into having sex. It is a type of sexual assault because even if someone says yes, they are not giving their consent freely.

if you look at the examples of sexual coercion only one is considered rape.

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/sexual-assault-and-rape#consent

Sexual assault is any unwanted behaviour of a sexual nature that makes a person feel uncomfortable, frightened or threatened. It can occur when a person is forced, tricked or coerced into sexual behaviour without agreeing to it.


https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/. 




Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. 


https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/4538-rape-and-date-rape


Rape is a form of sexual assault in which a person (man, woman or child) is forced to engage in sexual relations (vaginal, anal or oral) against his or her will or without having given consent. Often an attacker will use physical force in committing rape; however, rape also occurs when someone uses threats of violence or emotional force or manipulation to engage an individual in sex.





The definition of rape literally debunks rape in Jinx. It is sexual assault and sexual coercion and other abusive behavior.
The ones claiming rape, if genuine are just from first impressions from the first reading and not reading the story in full detail or not understanding the terms they are using. Or something like that.
However, most on this page are not genuine are only want to stir up drama and troubles. They know they would get responses to harm others to feel better about themselves and only want they degrade others or shame them. Most of them never read the story they get fake summaries from their friends.

Rape is when one party does not consent at ANY time during intimate moments and the other party still continues anyway with force or coercion. That's the definition of this, "prostitutes" still get raped and taken advantage of when they are just trying to work. Obviously see where your sick head is at with these matters of human rights. This is a story of fiction yes so I shouldn't take it seriously and can just move on from this story but it's brutal to read some of the things people say about the context of this story since it seems to reflect some of the real thoughts of the people behind said comments

Also @TM SM YZ since you have a setting that keeps people from speaking to you I'll just leave this here. You looking for the definition is just so sus to me, I understand you are trying to be factually accurate but come on dude. There are many times when the semester uses his brute strength alone to overpower the uke for his own satisfaction and was never asked permission. Just because they agreed on sex does not mean it's free game for whatever after. Many times the uke has asked him to stop because he is exhausted or even not to have sex in certain locations but was ignored and threatened to do what he wants for his own pleasure. He obviously knows uke is in a situation he can't say no and uses that to his advantage and that is coercion. There is also the basic context clues of watching your partner and if they do not seem on the same page as you and you continue that is considered rape. You cannot read this shit and not see how brutal and uncaring he is to him and that's wild it has to be explained to you

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prostitute


: to offer for sexual intercourse in exchange for pay

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-129893/pg-2/
Dan prostituted himself out by definition
He had sex with Jaekyung in exchange for 5 grand.
Jaekyung wanted SEX. NOT RAPE.

The second time is a contract relationship. Some will argue that is prostitution but I think it is more than just money, so it is not prostitution.
I will say this, prostitutes can be raped. Anyone can. Prostitutes need a real job.

Kim Dan has not been raped. There has been sexual assault, Sexual coercion, abuse, and so on. This story is toxic but only two attempted rapes have happened. Those attempted rapes have not happened by Jaekyung. You are cherry-picking to your pov.
You know you have lost somewhere bc you are attacking the op and me. When you start attacking and insulting others, you know you have lost in the debate somehow. I find you attacking others more toxic than the story and that is why I blocked you. The story is fake. The OP is REAL! I am REAL.
I can't take you and your comments seriously as they are only personal attacks expressing how immature and insecure you are in your own opinions that you have to attack others on. You have to attack others to feel more self-righteous that way you can feel better about yourself.

Can you have a civil conversation without attacking others? Why don't you come back when you can handle a civil conversation? Blocking does not stop the conversation or speaking to me. It just marks you as someone who is a bad-faith actor who can't have a conversation. Look how you talked to me and your last line to me showed I was justified.

Me, educating people with the definitions is not sus. That was pathetic. Come on dude! Helping others is not sus. What kind of life have you lived when you think helping others understand something is sus?? Wow, that is revealing.

It is to stop the hate and trivial debate. Look you basically attacked them for being right. What kind of mindset is that? You are now going after me because I proved you wrong. I have read the story multiple times. Your cheap fanfic of it is not going to persuade me from the real story.
I subscribe to Jinx, not your fanfics.

You are making invalid points without knowing my thoughts. Why bring up the contract? It seems you only take a line and ran with it instead of looking at the story and what it is saying. Jaekyung did not know of Dan's situation at the beginning and did not use it against him. They are not on the same page. You are not on the same page with Jinx. You can see rape but by definition and what actually happens in the story it is not rape. I stand with the story, not your fanfics. He is brutal but he could be 1000% more brutal. He is not uncaring, what story are you reading?
It is wild you are explaining your headcanon to me and expecting me to believe that is the details of Jinx while degrading me because you can't handle a civil conversation. I don't need Jinx explained to me. I don't need your headcanon explained to me either. I don't want to read whatever you are describing because I know it is not Jinx.

Stop attacking and degrading others that are being factual because it makes you wrong. Start handling being wrong better. Then maybe I will unblock you. If I am still here.

This started out as a general reply then it went to reply to Z3tsu39. I did not realize that until I hit post and I saw it was not tagged to Z3tsu39.
lol me: Why was it not tagged to Z3tsu39? me: reads my comment back.. oh whoops lol hehehe

I just know you're the sort of person to tell a victim it was their fault or valiantly defend a rapist cus you like them. I won't be surprised if you support johnny depp

People never go this hard defending fiction from well deserved critique unless it aligns with their irl views or they feel personally attacked by the critique. I suggest you check in with a therapist or ain't and retrospect because this is not a normal response to someone presenting a very valid analysis of the behavior some of you are exhibiting in defense of fiction.

You're really out here insulting and assuming what people are about while you claim to be attacked yourself by someone who didn't even do anything, and you refused to read their comment so I know you won't read this one too.

And yes, being a prostitute doesn't give anyone else the right to abuse. Sex workers are already dealing with enough without y'all spreading harmful messaging in the name of “its just fiction”

What a childish comment. Take your own advice, you are the one who needs it with the lying, attacking, and making up things to attack people to feel better about yourself.
Your comment is abusive and disgusting. You are just talking about yourself. You are projecting. Seek professional help.

Oh thanks for proving my point.
See my first comment.

Stop trying to feel better about yourself by degrading others on lies and misinformation. Your comment is more toxic than the story. It is gross. Block until you learn how to be a decent human being and have civil conversation without imposing false accusations or arguments to feel better about yourself. Your comment showed your ignorance and insecurities. Take your advice and seek how to communicate better with others. Stop being toxic.

https://www.verywellmind.com/how-to-be-a-better-person-4167628

@ TM SM YZ Okay I will take your point that I was attacking, I was worked up when I wrote that and I do agree to have a healthy debate you need to be able to talk to people respectfully and to that point I apologize. However I have read the story too, for me it is like a train wreck I can't look away from. Yes it is a contract relationship which is not an issue for me. If both parties consent to it, that is their prerogative. The thing that makes me ick is how he treats Dan. He has more than once abused the contract between them for his own satisfaction by not listening to Dan's wishes and pleas to stop at certain points. Just because he is paying for his services does not mean he can abuse him how he pleases and in that sense it is rape. Dan never said he would stop with sex because he wants the money but he has been physically exhausted to the point it causing strain on his body and was not taken into consideration and that is uncaring. Even if they aren't dating he is still his sexual partner which means when it comes to the sexual stuff he should have him as a priority to at least make sure that he isn't down right get physically hurt over this. The way you overly defend his actions and try so hard responding to many people over while also insulting everyone else is what makes it sus to me. Because like we have all agreed it is just fiction but the way you defend makes me believe you have strong personal beliefs towards this and that scares me, but my personal opinion you don't have to take to heart. That is my final take on this well, have a nice day.

rape is a thing yes that is correct but not completely, rape can be when you're consent changes halfway through, or right as it starts your consent can be revoked at any time actually and once that person continues then it is rape

genuinely your take on this is amazingly said. honestly I don't fully believe that a lot of the people that read this understand that this story is mostly just made for pornography purposes and not plot wise and that's how a lot of stories are honestly

Yes I agree with you, that is exactly what I meant I just realized I worded it weird. If they agree to have sex and continue and then one party at some point no longer wishes to continue the act or a certain part of the act but is forced to then it is rape. Just reading this forum is maddening sometimes with everything people have to say about this. And I definitely went into it already heated and rude when I should have taken a breath. Just as a human reading a fiction piece like this that basically fetishes rape and falling in love with said rapist is one thing but to have people defend the rapist makes me upset. People can read what they want and that's fine but I kind of draw the line when they try make the said characters seem justified in some kind of sick way that aligns with their own morals. Just wild to me

"@ TM SM YZ Okay I will take your point that I was attacking, I was worked up when I wrote that and I do agree to have a healthy debate you need to be able to talk to people respectfully and to that point I apologize. "

I do appreciate that but is that genuine? Let me show you.

"However I have read the story too, for me it is like a train wreck I can't look away from." You details are off and are you assuming my stance on the story? Just because you read something does not mean you understand it. There are layers upon layers to understand. You are giving me a few layers and it is not accurate to the real story. You are adding incest to it and degrading me for not seeing it because you are connecting things together in a way it is not meant to be.


Dan consent and took away consent many times. Do you think I am not upset with how he treats Dan? I am team Dan. You have me all wrong. Of course, anyone would be upset with how he is treating Dan. There is no excusing his toxic behaviors. Why are you putting me in a position like I am? I am only being unbiased toward Jaekyung. You have to take into consideration he plays from sex from many ukes. And many ukes could act that way towards him. He could think Dan is playing a game. I have said many times Dan needs to voice his opinions away from sex. Jaekyung as asked him twice away from the sex. Dan did not speak up. What does that tell you?
The cry does get on Jaekyung nerves a bit and a certain kind crying Dan does have Jaekyung stops. Did you miss that? Or are you too busy smashing the character to see him as you are too busying talking to your own version of TM SM YZ. You are not talking to me or seeing me. You are not seeing the real story.

I am fully with this "Just because he is paying for his services does not mean he can abuse him how he pleases" Why did you write that? No it is not rape. It is sexual assault.
."Dan never said he would stop with sex because he wants the money but he has been physically exhausted to the point it causing strain on his body and was not taken into consideration and that is uncaring." More of your fanfictions.


"Even if they aren't dating he is still his sexual partner which means when it comes to the sexual stuff he should have him as a priority to at least make sure that he isn't down right get physically hurt over this." There are many times he has. What story are you reading? You are not going to fool me.

"The way you overly defend his actions and try so hard responding to many people over while also insulting everyone else is what makes it sus to me."
This is false. I have no defended his actions. I have not overly did anything. I have not tried so hard responded to many people. I have no insulted anyone either. That would be you, Kori and "You must see rape or your brain dead gang". This was a pathetic. I am just speaking the truth. That is not defending anything. You are imposing an position and false accusations on me. I am not your toy. How can you apologize and then turn around and do it again?

"Because like we have all agreed it is just fiction but the way you defend makes me believe you have strong personal beliefs towards this and that scares me, but my personal opinion you don't have to take to heart. That is my final take on this well, have a nice day."

Why do many of you make it real? I want to talk lightly of the story and be unbiased. But I repeatedly get attacked. People that likes this story or likes Jeakyung or being unbiased gets attacked. You must hate it! and I don't live in hate. It is fiction. It is a trivial story. I have not defended the story. I don't have strong personal beliefs towards it. So you apologized to turn around to put me into a position to feel superior and to feel self-righteous. There is nothing about your comments that is self-righteous when you are trying to make something inferior or gaslight them. It is abusive behavior.

IF you were genuine you would not be trying to make those pathetic hits. That was unstable behavior. You are assuming to much. He is not a rapist but a sexual abuser. Either way, I don't love him. I don't like him. He is dull.
I don't have a fetish with rape or I would be saying it was rape like you are doing. I am just being ordinary and honesty. I am not defending anything. You are going to great lengths to defend your rape pov.

@TM SM YZ
The apology was genuine, I am sorry I lashed out the first time. I didn't feel good about saying that about you either because like you said I don't really know you as a person. I only have what I can go off on your stance with these characters, and in my opinion it doesn't leave me feeling good because you do overly defend the seme. This isn't some mental breaking story with layers, it's straight up porn material. Which is fine and the story itself, although brutal is fine. The problems lie with how hard you are going trying to force a narrative other people feel about the story in regards to it being rape vs sexual assault which I'm wondering why? If we sit and say okay it's not rape it's sexual assault does that really make it 10x better? Both are awful and can't be compared but for your sake of the narrative we will say it's sexual assault. Now why are you trying so hard to convince everyone else? You are the definition of trying hard. I scroll through every other comment and see you have replied with 3 pages worth and LINKS about the validation of what the seme did or didn't do according to googled definitions. When your nitpicking for such a difference between the two my thought process thinks about is that how you think in real life? If a sex worker or prostitute is getting charged to do work and has a reason they no longer want to continue because family emergency or they are feeling ill but the paying party continues anyway, that isn't rape? Because that is exactly what happens in the context of the story. I understand this is gonna get me nowhere because we obviously think so different but I'm just genuinely curious now where you stand inside your head?

I don't overly defend the seme.

"This isn't some mental breaking story with layers, it's straight up porn material."
False. Yaoi is not porn. The story has layers. I will not believe lies.

"The problems lie with how hard you are going trying to force a narrative other people feel about the story in regards to it being rape vs sexual assault which I'm wondering why? "

False. false. false. I am not forcing anything. You are forcing your pov on me. you may a topic and now target harassing me. Not one time have I forced anything on you. That was sick to claim.


"If we sit and say okay it's not rape it's sexual assault does that really make it 10x better?"
Why asked that?

" Both are awful and can't be compared but for your sake of the narrative we will say it's sexual assault."
It is not my narrative, you are forcing the story's pov on me.


"Now why are you trying so hard to convince everyone else?"

I am not why are you lying?

"You are the definition of trying hard."
False. That is how you want to see it when that is not true. that is why you are aiming at me. Disgusting.


" I scroll through every other comment and see you have replied with 3 pages worth and LINKS about the validation of what the seme did or didn't do according to googled definitions."
It is called trying to have conversations. try it sometimes. Why attack me on this when kori and you are doing the same thing (without the links). I am not validating the seme. you are changing my comments so you can attack me.

"When your nitpicking for such a difference between the two my thought process thinks about is that how you think in real life?"
I am not nitpicking. That was disturbing to read. I have been attacked for being unbiased since July. I have a reason to make a clear distinction between two different things. would you grow up.

That is not exactly what happens in the context of the story. You will not fool me when I understand Jinx.

"I understand this is gonna get me nowhere because we obviously think so different" because I stand with facts and the story. You stand with headcanon and trying to force it on others. "but I'm just genuinely curious now where you stand inside your head?"
Wild. No, you don't. Just look it up or start looking at Jinx deeper. Stop imposing false positions and stop trolling. I am not your toy for amusement.

All of this^ 100%

Okay well now this actually sounds better because im afraid someone else like some creepy fans would come as well