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I feel so bad for him he could have been happy with Chunwoo except he believed he didn't deserve to be loved so he inadvertently pushed Chunwoo away ugh he got properly fucked up as a kid so it's not like I blame him it's tough to find/keep love when you think it's out of your reach but it's so sad I hope he'll heal over time and eventually find someone suitable to settle down with. and his sis too she was really cute

I love this comment lmao bcz fr he needs a story of his very own. Sides won't be able to fix him and his mommy and daddy issues. I still love Taesoo though.

yes!!! Taesoo needs more love poor dude's been through a lot he deserves a story of his own. I hope he'll be able to work through his insecurities and eventually find a fulfilling relationship

I don't know what type of yaois you've been reading but I think it's a fair rating to be honest considering the uke is getting raped EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER. But yeah maybe it's too low

Dan consented and agreed by contract. This isn’t rape.

Its a rape fest lmao..so many rape paologists in the comments that are in denial

I wish waterside night god a rating under the 8's too but the author is good at constructing a plot. Still too much rape in it though, same for this manhwa exceot the plot isnt really that strong so people dont like it as much

*got *under the 9's
typos sorry

I gotta disagree this isn't rape they are both adults and can make their own decisions dan made a contract and he is getting a TONE of money out of this he could leave anytime he wanted but unfortunately he is desperately in need of money. Sure he isn't happy or comfortable with it but that doesn't change the fact that he consented to this and aside from that there a lot of stories with actual dubious consent and rape that get highr rating than 9 but i guess plot wise this isn't a strong story so maybe that's why. I still think it deserves a 9 or 9.1 tho just my opinion

It varies from mood to mood as long as the plot is strong and there is an actual point to the story i would read it even if it might have some sensitive content

Adults who can make ytheir own decisions can ve raped, consent isnt a free pass ticket it can be taken away at the second of refusal which Jaekyung has actively ignored, meaning he raped Dan lol.

Oh yeah the low rating is definetly because the plot and pacing is super weak, waterside night has much more graphic violent rape scenes with the mc and the ml but its extremely well done and its also a psychological manhwa so that usually means the storyline is strong and thought out. Not sure where the author is gonna for season 2 i just wantcit to end with the mc getting away...if jinx had a better plot it would've atleast been a 9 but its just pure porno.

You got a reply with a false accusation “he raped Dan”
followed by a lol. Yikes!!!

This is all a joke to that person. He is on here to stir trouble and lie about this story.
I proved him wrong. He called me a troll and AI.
He called others worst on here.
Be careful.

I don’t rate stories on here. But I just rated 5 stars due to this situation. Not that I am into Yaoi. Lol. My wife and friends are.
I am the neutral for arguments. This isn’t rape. Dan consented and agreed to a contract. Some points it comes close but Dan needed to say the truth to Joo. Joo had a false impression.

It is just false accusations from not understanding what rape is or isn’t.

i hate jaekyung but i also believe it shouldn’t be labeled as rape at this point. in the beginning yes it was bc even tho dan consented at the start, he eventually wanted to stop and jaekyung just ignored him. now since they’re in a “contract” relationship, what dan is doing is more in the lines of sex work. tbh it’s prob not just the bad rep at the start that contributed to the low rating. i’ve never seen a seme like jaekyung wherein they’re an asshole AND STILL continues to be an asshole 29 chapters later without any qualms. we haven’t seen any other redeeming quality from him aside from being rich and beating those loan sharks up and despite then he still acted like a jerk to dan. i don’t really think he’s “way better” than all the other toxic semes. in fact, i think he’s one of the worst.

Yes well, Jaekyung is still a rapist. Though the intercourse in the recent chapter seems to be more accepted by Dan, we cant change what he's already done. Using rape as a plot device in order to create sexual chemistry between the two main characters is so cheap and old. I wish authors would put the effort into bringing the mcs together in a more interesting manner. Ch 29 Dan still said "No" and "Stop" but im not sure if that was because he was about to nut or not. Jaekyung stil doesn't listen but i do understand they are in a contract now, it makes it harder to draw the line this way. Jaekyung is a piece of shit in many other ways too considering how violent and inconsiderate he is with Dan in general. His small acts of kindness just get overshadowed by the insane abusive behaviour . Hes really not likable in any way shape or form.

Don’t let the other person lie to you. In chapter 29. Dan’s no is an answering Joo’s question about liking nipple play.
Dan’s stop was to the nipple play. The chapter is clear. They have to lie to make Joo a rapist that means they have no evidence or argument. This story isn’t for them if they have to continue lie about the story and people here.

Nipple play isn’t rape. There is no rape in chapter 29. There is no rape in this story. Their first time is close to it.
Rape wasn’t use as a plot device in order to create sexual chemistry.

You are allowed to hate Joo. You are right this should not be label as rape. He is not a rapist. A few people don’t understand the story and are changing the story to make Joo a rapist. Dan had consented. They have a contract. He is not all Jerk is Dan. Look deeper at him. He is toxic but not one of the worst. Isn’t there a seme that makes a uke a sex worker? I will ask Mi Amore.

Agree! He is 29. Though, this manga is for mature audience, in my opinion. Characters are 29 and bit younger… BJ Alex was story at Uni. Good quality manga, but I understand there are con and pro. I really like it!

Good points.

Very true He BARELY does anything nice and it’s like the author expects us to go “Oh ” when he does.

Um I can agree that ch 29 is not rape but saying that there is COMPLETELY no rape in this story is just lying. reread the first time they had sex. dan was going to have sex for money but then he wanted to back out. jaekyung then proceeded to literally threaten him that he was gonna beat him up if he tried to go home???

just bc he does slightly nice things does not mean he’s “not all jerk to dan.” there’s really no need to look deeper at him like we clearly see where the author is going whenever they call out “omg he saved me from loan sharks,” “oh he hanged out with my grandma,” “oh he did this and that” etc. author is clearly trying to convince the readers that he’s nice, just like what’s happening to dan. it’s working for you but it doesn’t work for some people bc no matter how much he does all these things his reason is selfish and purely bc dan can’t have sex with him otherwise (not bc he’s nice and actually cares).

multiple things can be true. jaekyung is STILL one of the worst while that seme you talk abt is also one of them.

Ohh yeahh i was confused about ch 29 its obviously not rape but i got confused cause the texts are sort placed weirdly sometimes

I have read the first few chapters a few times and your suggestion isn’t going to change: there is no rape.
It comes close to rape. Take the story as a whole. It seems you are trying to hate to story and Joo.

chapter 2 Page 48 Joo tells him to leave.
Dan was a thought about having sex and 5 thousand dollars than to the sharks. He consented to Joo. Joo didn’t force him to agree. Dan made that choice.

In chapter 3. Dan lies about being with men and Joo says there is no reason to go easy. Dan panics but he doesn’t tell him the truth. Joo gaves him over an hour in the shower and Dan is thinking he could be beat up. But that is just thoughts.

Dan is wiggling and what Joo says to a wait is just a warning not a threat. Dan starts to reconsider and tells him. Joo does threaten him but most likely an empty threat giving the go home line later. Dan choice consents. 30/50.
“If this is too much for you- get out.” Joo even if he was threatening it. He gave Dan outs. So cookie how about stop cherry picking?


Dan consented and stayed both times Joo gave an out for the money. Dan makes that clear.

43/50 Dan said to put it in.
Joo isn’t a mind reader and thoughts don’t make this rape.

Dan says don’t stop. Joo has have a mouth.
Dan the next time he talks he says he was startled when Joo doesn’t like he is crying. Joo does not like he is crying but he covers it up. Did you catch that or are you to got up in crying wolf??


26/55. Joo thinks Dan had anal sex before. Joo doesn’t know he is being rough with a shy inexperienced virgin.
Chapter 2 52/ 61 Dan says he never did it before.
Joo isn’t a rapist. There is no rape.

Dan isn’t being honest with him and he didn’t know Dan was virgin that night. He would had did things differently. You are too focused on thoughts of Dans to see the full picture. Dan consented and it was consensual. Dan came back to do a contract with him, knowing what he was getting into it. Dan never considered rape or acted like a rape survivor.
The story says otherwise from your opinion. Your comment doesn’t help you. “The author is clearly trying to convince the readers that is nice” really? How about show his true character. Is his reasons selfish? I don’t think so? Can you read in between the lines? You know when people say “it is cold in here isn’t?” They are not asking you for your opinion. They want you to turn off the fan or AC. Right? That is called indirect communication. Koreans use indirect communication more than Americans do.
It is working for me? That is a big assumption. I don’t normally read Yaoi. I am a neutral person in between people that do (my wife, my best friend, and their friends). I get called in to solve problems or get a different POV. I have read a fair share of BL stories on here. It is people seeing a few things and false claiming rape and not taking in the whole picture. It is cheapen a serious crime. It is close to rape but the story says otherwise. Your POV is not shared by the story and it seems you want to make this toxic story more negative than what is. For what you wrote - I don’t value your opinion now. You just want to hate the seme here. He is not the worst. I don’t think you are seeing Joo but lost on his fake outward facade that he protects himself with. Those kind moments would be the real him. Go back to the first time to where he is upset Dan is cry with him just putting it in. After Dan’s reply he covers it up. Dan could had confessed it was his first time even then. Joo had a false impression on Dan and so do you. Stop cherry picking on moment and look at the whole story. Joo told him to go twice. Dan lied and never considered it rape and came back for a contract. Learn what rape is and isn’t. This isn’t rape.

Damn guys i didn't think this would get so many replies
I'm not a hug fan of the work it's just one of the many that i read it's just something to fill my free time and i don't feel strongly about the story if i had to give an opinion i would say it's a pretty mid story with great art that also has dub-con i mean we are all entitled to our own opinion but i still think it's a bit much to call the seme rapist even tho it's true that he is an asshole and overall a pretty inconsiderate person
And the reason i'm surprised the rating is low isn't because i particularly like the story but mostly because stories that have such great art even if don't have the best stories tend to rate above 9 and 9.2 at highest and get a pass even if they do have dub-con in them

yea that is true i think it’s bc mingwa is so popular so everyone (even those who have never seen other works with dub-con elements) came to read bc of the hype but then got disappointed or smth.

I’ll be honest with you: I don’t care THAT much so this whole essay was kind of unnecessary. I’m only commenting and stuff bc I enjoy discussing stories with other readers. I still read everything tho bc I myself hate it when people go “I ain’t reading allat.” I can see that you really like this character and believe in him so I’m not gonna argue with you on why I think he’s one of the worst semes. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I don’t HATE the author or the story, I’m just expressing things I don’t like about it and why I don’t like where the story is going. After all, I’m still here and curious as to where the story goes. For me, if someone says “no” or “stop” and clearly means it like how dan is thinking “i can’t do it” then the other person should at least slow down to ask if he’s sure he wants to keep going. The fault isn’t only on jaekyung tho bc dan did lie that he had experience and jaekyung puts a lot of importance to winning. Still, it seems you really like jaekyung and he can do no wrong in your eyes so… Anyways, have a great day.

I’ll be honest with you: I don’t care THAT much so this whole essay was kind of unnecessary. I’m only commenting bc I enjoy having story discussions with other readers lol I still read everything bc I myself hate it when people go “I ain’t reading all that.” I can see that you really like this character and believe in him so I’m not gonna argue with you on why I think he’s one of the worst semes. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I don’t HATE the author or the story, I’m just expressing things I don’t like about it and why I don’t like where the story is going. After all, I’m still here and curious as to where the story goes. For me, if someone says “no” or “stop” and clearly means it like how dan is thinking “i can’t do it” then the other person should at least slow down to ask if he’s sure he wants to keep going. The fault isn’t only on jaekyung tho bc dan did lie that he had experience and jaekyung puts a lot of importance to winning. Still, it seems you really like jaekyung and he can do no wrong in your eyes so… Anyways, have a great day. It was nice to read another perspective I guess

Congratulations on exposing yourself there. The “essay” was necessary as you told me to read the story again. I read it a few times at least the first few chapters. I was explaining to you why it was not rape as you are so desperately wanting it to be. You should ask yourself why?
Do you really enjoy discussing it with reader as you just called my comments to your forcing your POV on me as unnecessary as I used the story against your POV? That is contradicting.

It seems you would be talking to me instead of ending the conversation.
“I can see you like this character.” You are assuming. You are appealing to some fallacious arguments. I don’t care to look them up. And why are you making it my opinion or trying to make it my opinion? Because it is easier to discredit your opponent or make the the truth look smaller. I don’t have an opinion on the story or any of the characters besides it is not rape and it is a bit on the toxic side. I was ask to analyze.

What is he saying no too? Some times he is answering questions to Joo. What is he saying stop too? He isn’t being clear. But…..then Dan asked him to go slower to Joo in chapter 4. As easy it is to no constant he constants again. Stop cherry picking and read the whole scene. This isn’t rape. You can’t use what Dan is thinking here. Joo isn’t a mind reader. FYI: Joo did stop. So stop taking the story out of context. Read chapter 4. Joo ask why he was crying. Dan say he was startled. If Dan was honest. Joo would had did something different.
Joo wants sex not to rape him. If you think rape is sex then you should seek professional help.
My opinion isn’t = to pointing out the story to you. Get the facts straight. Stop the manipulative behavior “since you really like Joo, and he can do no wrong to you”. How disgusting you had to go there. But that is you taking the L by using a fallacious argument to try to get under my skin to try to “win”. Learn how a conversation works if you enjoy “discussing” stories with other readers. Get facts straight about the story and if someone liking or not liking a character straight. Stop the manipulative behavior.

BTW, You are wrong. I am a neutral person here with Yaoi. I am normally called in for interpretations or settle something. My wife, my best friend, and their friends are into Yaoi. I am a straight male … who has read some Yaoi. Your reply is actually very hilarious with all your assumptions. Haha. I have said this a few times on here. So your manipulative argument just fails apart. I wonder what would happen if you would had talked to me instead of being disrespectful and manipulative. Oh, my best friend like Joo because he reminds her of her ex boyfriend (besides the violent behavior). She will say Joo is toxic and violent. What in the world are you talking about. Haha. Try again.

P.S. Go read Dispar. You would have a case there.

With Joo being one of the worst semes…. Go read more toxic Yaoi. The story does not support your POV.
The story: the book hit the floor by a bump.

Your POV: the book was slammed to the ground by Joo. Then Joo slammed the table to the wall. Joo grabbed the table again and slammed it to the wall.

Me: pointing the story out to. It was Dan that bumped the table.

You: Joo can do no wrong in your eye! He is your favorite character!

Me: huh?

It seems he can’t do anything right either. You dismiss everything he does. You want to hate him and over exaggerate his behavior while dismissing his good behavior. Then claim he is my favorite character by pointing out the story saying something different… and how you are behaving.

No. He isn’t the worst. He isn’t one of the worst either. Read the story carefully. He is not the best and he isn’t one of the best either. It is just ridiculous.

Go to my second comment in this thread. It is to blue moon.

Damn you're right actually that does make sense

Why is there no edit option!!
I used damn twice and now i feel so cringe and edgy

Three times now. Haha.

You can only edit your main one ….. if I remember correctly.

Bruh

I mean I really don’t understand why you’re so pissed at me?? In the beginning when we first started this conversation you suggested that the first time only “comes close to rape.” I countered it since I do consider that first time to be non-consensual. Sure dan might have only “assumed” that he was gonna get beat up, but it’s not like jaekyung convinced him otherwise. Especially when he actually does verbalize that dan won’t be able to leave the room safe and sound AFTER he even beat up someone else in front of dan too. Then YOU began to say disrespectful things like “I don’t value your opinion now” “Can’t you read between the lines?” “Did you catch that or are you to got up crying in wolf” and then also started assuming things about me like “It seems you just hate the story.” So you don’t really get to call me out on assuming that you like jaekyung since so far that’s how it seemed to me. My bad for saying that you liked him. I don’t know everything about your life so stop acting like I should’ve known. I said that I don’t think the essay is necessary because it’s not like I’m trying to analyze this character on THAT level. This is what I think of his character as of now. I don’t like him because he’s violent and mean and right now all his kind moments are not convincing me otherwise. I disagree that he’s not one of the worst semes. He might not be THE worst ever but he’s not that great either. That’s all. I don’t need you telling me I’m disgusting, manipulative, and disrespectful when you don’t know anything about me outside of this comment section. You might have convinced me otherwise if you were more respectful but no. Just because you don’t agree with me it seems this discussion is moving on to you insulting me instead so I think that’s enough. Sorry for wasting your time.

Why are you giving my comments emotion? It is a tactic to discredit your opponent by making them look something you hope to discredit them. I am not. You don’t have that power.

I did not suggest. I said by using story point and you can’t counter with a POV. The first time is consensual.

Now you are lying and taking things out of context.
You have been disrespectful and dishonest with me. If you were honest we would not be here. “I don’t value your opinion now” was after your disrespectful and manipulative behavior.

“Can’t you read between the lines?” Was being helpful. Really?

“Did you catch that or are you to got up crying in wolf” I was trying to wake up you. Should I do this you were my comments would be nothing compared to yours?

“and then also started assuming things about me like “It seems you just hate the story.”” If I said this you are taking this out of context. I have to read my comment on this but I think I know what I meant and it is huge leap from your interpretation.


I have not assumed it is in your words. I analyze words. You ≠ words. How about asking instead of using an assumption in a fallacious argument? You told me to read like I would be forced into your POV but the story will state different. I will explaining to you reading it again will not get your false opinion. You seem to realize I analyzed the character on a deep level but it is assuming with your words. I hit close did I? Only reasons for those comments. Your opinion on him being one of the worst seme is just that your opinion. You can disagree with reality. I wasn’t giving you my opinion.
I said disgusting, manipulative, and disrespectful to behavior ≠ you. You can change your behavior and don’t make it you. Don’t change my words for a asinine lecture.
I have been respectful. I just called you out on your bad behavior. This has nothing about you outside this comment section I must had hit close again. Words are revealing if you know how to understand them. I have not insulted you. You continue to insult and lie about me. The story disagrees with you. It is not me. Get it right.

It seems you are trying to hate to story and Joo.

It seems - a guess.
You are trying— an action not an assumption.

It is on words. I am being false accused it wasn’t assuming things about them.
It was about the action that I already explained.

Story: Dan bumps the table.
Them: Joo throw the book. Joo slammed the table to the wall.
Me: Story point. Story point.
Them: I disagree with you!!! Joo did it.
Me: They are so angry they can’t see they are over exaggerating or blaming Joo to where they can’t see the story. It was all on the words. If they are acting like this I must had hit the nail on the head. Who would lie and take comments out of context to make false accusations?

I wished we could like individual comments like twitter.

No. He isn't the worst. He's up there though.
He is tying it real close with Seungho though ngl. They'd either be best friends or fight to the death. Jokes aside.

But whether it's specifically rape or SA: It is still wrong.
Therefore no matter what 'good' things he does (even though he got angry/lashed out after most good things anyway or did it for selfish intent), that doesn't delude the fact that he isn't treating Dan like a human being. More like an object.

The contract? Yeah yeah, it exists as a flimsy plot point I guess. It specifically calls for Dan "whenever, wherever". Sure! Maybe Dan, being so money hungry, could prepare more?? But wait, how can he have time to prepare when Mr. Eyebrows wants him right smack dab in the middle of a locker room full of other people? That isn't fair.

Also, he never treats him kindly? Or at least, he never isn't an asshole to Dan.
If you wanted someone to stay- N E E D them to stay because of a LIFE ruining Jinx that you have and fear...shouldn't he be treating him better? ffs he's probably gonna get sick again at this point cause he's just been treated like a tool. I'm surprised he hasn't bled more or gotten an STD. Idk, the plot just seems really iffy there anyway.

Also in the story, I don't see the contract as a contract anyway. Idk how to explain? I mean. There's no details? There is an offer: Money. But there's no consideration for Dan. He and Jaek have accepted it and agree, but there's no clause or thought put into it. (Correct me if I'm wrong). I had to push past some chapters cause obv they were frustrating to read.

I'm mainly pissed about the public advertising of a NSFW story with SA in it. That's pretty weird man... we don't need NSFW stories advertised on giant billboards, especially with people saying that it's "Hot" or "sexy"...

Sorry this is so long, I hope it's legible. Enough.

Airplane bro!

A-YUAN!!!!