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Yahwi’s back story is tragic, but it doesn’t correlate with how’s he’s acted overall. They would have been better off giving him a backstory of neglect or something. Cause his parents dying in a car crash doesn’t explain how he’s acted in this entire manhwa. But, I predict that his grandfather is gonna neglect him in the next chapter so it’ll all “make sense”
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I once again am lost for words. I don’t want to sound rude or bitchy but, I literally don’t care about any of this. Why are we just now learning about this?? Yahwi’s grandfather could have explained this when Jooin went to visit him after fighting with Yahwi. Why are we 79 chapters in and JUST NOW learning about this??? This isn’t anything monumental or important to the plot. I understand they’re trying to give Yahwi a redemption arc but it’s just so corny. Im just ready for this to rapped up.
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Please do not come into the Yours to Claim comment section and complain about comments complaining. The WHOLE point of the comment section is to talk about the manhwa. That’s like getting mad at people for discussing a book at a book club lmaoooo. Read the comments or dont. Its that simple.
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For reall and its funny how they call people being dramatic when they literally on are sharing their emotions/thoughts about the current chapter. If they're so bothered about the comment section, why do they keep coming back and checking on it lmao. And they know damn well how big and toxic of the fandom YOURS TO CLAIM has
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Literally what has Jooin done to receive this much hate from the community??? Yahwi can SA him, Slap Him, Invalidate His feelings, AND treat him like a prostitute, and people would still have more sympathy for him than Jooin. Like??? He deserves this much hate because he wasnt clear about his feelings??? Who cares!?
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When yahwi slapped himself using jooins hands, he got sympathy and jooin got blamed and hated, but when jooin was the one who got slapped which he literally did not deserve, people were hyping yahwi up saying jooin deserved it all they ever do is to victim blame jooin everytime yhwi do something wrong (im not generalizing, but most stans ive seen are like this even the previous uploader)
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There’s nothing wrong with Yahwi having a redemption arc (even though he doesn’t deserve it.) but the “redemption” better not lead to him ending up with Jooin. They are not meant to be, redemption or not. Yahwi has hurt Jooin for basically no reason besides him using Jooin to fill a hole inside himself, due to his trauma. He can be a better person or whatever but that relationship shit is dead.
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Im gonna reiterate and clarify my original statement since it’s become a long thread of nonsense due to two accounts (you know who you are). POV or not, I really dont care, the first time Dan has sex with whatever his name is (and the multiple times after that), were rape. But I’ll call it SA since that seems to be more accepted here for whatever reason. The comments being the way they are, are exactly why authors need to stop making manhwa’s with tropes like this or ones that include rapey sex in general. I should not have to sit back and question “damn, did this character just get raped/SA?” Or “Man that was kinda weird”. Nor should I have to argue with some random person on the internet because they think I should say SA instead of Rape because that makes it way better??? This all boils down to not including this in manhwa’s at all. Or, if you include it, address it well. Taking this out of the plot wouldn’t have affected the story at all. Normalize not normalizing and romanticizing Rape and SA
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My dear children, remember and always remember...forcing someone into something isn't a CLEAR yes. So no consent. Coercion is NOT consent. physically or psychological Pressuring them into sex is NOT consent. This is purely rape. I am not gonna reply to anyone who is gonna be clown here on a fucking illegal website but thank you for the show babes. Special thanks to Tmsm for smoking my brain out.
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fr they just keep calling ppl with different opinions than theirs a troll. its fr giving me flashbacks to Quicksilver. if you don't know him, he's this guy who defends rape in bl and tries to defend himself by saying he's gay and the story is fiction. he's even said he loves it when straight homophobes get dominated (basically raped) by gay men. he even has another account where he tries to defend himself by pretending that account isn't his even tho he admitted it was his account. Crazy ppl on here
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He did not rape him and rape is a form of sa. There are many reasons to describe them separately because they are describe separately.
Charmed maybe calling us bots as harassment because we are telling the truth.
Charmed is a troll.
Are you one to cocoapuffs? Can’t handle the truth so yoi call people bots showing your insecurities and sadistic behavior?
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Hi I have no intentions on fighting. This is the first time seeing your account so I just want to understand why you feel it's rape. Please read well and give your thoughts. Thank you.
In chp 3 Dan consented jk and they both came to an agreement. He had the chance to say no but decided to stay. And after getting ready to shower, jk dragged him out because he was wasting his time which is understandable. After all, his jinx was very important to him and it was quite late for them to be having sex presuming jk had to be sleep and be lively for the match.
He was already annoyed but that doesn't also mean Dan deserved being pushed around like that. And when they start Dan says he can't do it anymore which jk found annoying by saying, “You think I'm some sort of joke to you, don't expect to leave here like that last guy safe and sound” I think that's what he said. But if you look at jk pov, he didn't even mean to threaten him, that wasn't his intention if you notice his next reaction at that specific moment. And Dan then said in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed, I can do this” I agree that Dan felt threatened but you can't say that when you look at both POVs.
In a court,
Yes judge I said he should put it in.
Yes judge I agreed to sign the contract.
Judge: Did he threaten you to agree?
Dan: He looked intimidating and he sounded angry that I was already backing out when I had already agreed. Besides, I also needed the money pretty badly and I had also consented to another 14,000 dollars thereafter because I was able to endure the first round.
(eun’s words) well in my perspective, they made an agreement that yk he can have sex with dan whenever in exchange for money so that gives consent. but the fact that jaekyung does it so forcefully is what i say is abuse, also if you look at how dan sees jaekyung in his pov jaekyung looks scarier when in reality he’s not. some scenes are being written in dan’s pov that’s why jaekyung seems like a monster but i can just hope jaekyung fixes his attitude though, dan deserves to be treated better.
This wouldn't and cannot even be considered coerced rape or SA when you look at their parts. It is Abuse. Thank you.
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That's where the problem is, you have to investigate what it is really is. Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. Jk does something and then the next reaction changes everything entirely. Please I'm not forcing you into my opinion, just give valid points that can actually oppose the motion.
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hello honestly, i dropped it a long timw ago so i don't fully remember much about it but i do remember there being rape and a lot of toxic-ness and thats the reason i dropped it. i don't feel like rereading it since it makes me uncomfortable and it's currently nighttime for me but maybe in a few days i'll get the courage to reread it and come back to you to answer the question and get evidence. but you gotta be patient with me
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okay so i forced myself to read to chapter 3 even tho it made me uncomfortable and it was lowkey hard to breathe for a while but thats fine.
i don't feel like typing out the dialogue so you can read it instead. pages 20-50.
ML grabbed mc and forced him on the bed. MC basically says he's having second thoughts about it and doesn't want to do it but ML threatens MC by saying he'll beat him up the way he beat up the other guy so MC gets scared and forces himself to go through it. ML coerced Mc into having sex with him and MC tries to force himself to think he can do it. ML also said he'll break the MC's ankles if he doesn't stop moving which obviously scares mc. MC tries to stop ML from putting his dick in but Ml pushing Mc's face down and Ml says he'll smash his head in if MC keeps testing his patients. and tells him to just take it. btw everything i said isn't in order so you should read the chapter instead. I'll continue to read it later.
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oh okay thats fine. what did you think about my answer? did it change your mind or do you still have the same opinion? I wont bother you if you still haven't changed your mind since there would be no point in arguing over something when none of us is gonna change our minds. I will always believed that the ML being a rapist is a fact and that will never change.
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I hope you read everything. I read your answer very carefully and it made me realise that we both are saying the same thing but with a different approach. You're mentioning all the actions of jk but you're ignoring other aspects that should be highly considered.
To be very honest with you, I don't even feel you have the full right to be picking assumptions when you haven't finished all the chapters. Yes, the first time they did it was very abusive but you can't refer to it using the term ‘RAPE’. The actions of jk are rough and harsh and we can all agree that jk is a narcissist when it comes to sex with his partners. He says he prefers it that way which is messed up.
But also look at the other sides of jk. Jk has indeed stopped when Dan pleaded with him and when you come to an agreement, you have to abide by it. Jk does NOT play with his jinx so he was desperate at that particular moment and the problem is also Dan who doesn't even VOICE his thoughts leaving jk clearly oblivious to how his partner must be feeling.
Dan is not a child. He would know if someone is raping him. But my poor baby gave that stupid consent and we all have to accept it. Jk didn't mean to threaten Dan, that wasn't his intention if you look at his next reaction. Observe the characters well because every action of them needs to be needed and accepted.
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Sexual harassment does not translate to rape. Who taught you that? Rape, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual coercion, sexual harassment, and behaviors that might not fit neatly into any of these categories.
These are all acts of sexual violence, but it’s important to define them separately to punish perpetrators appropriately. It’s also important these terms and the distinctions between them are clearly understood. Otherwise, it makes it difficult for people to know how to label and describe their experiences. They are completely different terms, my dear, you can never translate them to each other and they can never be the same.
“blushing/the dilated pupils/parted lips can be seen as a biological reaction tho?” It can be seen as a biological reaction but not in a manhwa or comic itself, authors draw this type of thing to show what they actually meant in the scenes. It is fiction so it has to be expressed well. Just because it looks like that doesn't mean it is. You have to view it in a manhwa manner, it is fiction, not real life. The same applies to anime.
Obviously, Dan doesn't enjoy the sex but he has started to which the author has excellently shown us. Don't ignore that my dear.
One thing your also forgetting is that Dan lied that he was experienced and jk specifically said, “Since you're experienced, I guess I don't need to go easy on you then” They all have meanings if you read carefully.
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Lol. There are many topics. I am not interested in this topic. I have not read everything but I seen something.
Blocking isn’t a sign of inferiority and it doesn’t stop the communication.
https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/
“ Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. ”
What I said was the truth. You could had searched it. I am not your slave. Truth or an inferior, cowardly, violent, who can’t handle their behavior troll.
If you are not the same person. They are sadistic and will turn on you, eventually.
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i said okay because i'm choosing to end the argument now. like i said before, we cant change each others opinions on this so i don't want to waste my time on it anymore. and ik i cant fully talk about the manhwa since i said i dropped it but its why i said ill reread it and give you evidence little by little with each chapter i read. but honestly, i dont see any point in this anymore so goodbye.
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Yall are weird as fuck. No way yall are defending this shit. This is exactly why manhwa creators need to stop including sex in their stories that teeter on the line of SA and Rape.
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One side is defending the story has rape. If you say the story doesn’t have rape. It is “their POV of rape being in the story or be a rape apologist sicko that needs professional help.” ( defending a POV)
The other side is defending the ones that were attacking by the other side by saying there is no rape in the story.
(Defending people)
The ones making it rape is closer to your comment but I don’t think anyone is defending it. However, if someone was defending it. That is their right. They have the right to like/love this story. You have the right to hate to. You need to respect that.
You are being weird because this is a fictional story for entertainment that authors will always create and be there long after we are gone. You need to understand and differentiate from real and fantasy. If you don’t like these type of stories then why are you here?
“ that teeter on the line of SA and Rape.”. It is awesome you know this. Many on here thinks it is the same thing. When we say there is no rape. Some claim we said no SA and something similar. Sexual assault covers more than rape meaning not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. I know you know this but they will read. So, we can say there is no rape and see him a SA survivor.
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Someone took time and dedication to write you. Stop being so shitty.
“I’ve seen you commenting the same thing over and again”. If you understood why you wouldn’t saying anything to berated me.
“You literally have nothing important to say”. What a pathetic joke and shitty thing to say. That means you are one of the trolls and don’t like what I have to say because it is important. You are the one with nothing to say but whine about a story and judge others. I am defending people which is important and me being a better person.
I have not pulled anything out of my ass or have I spewed anything. You told me you were inferior to me and threatened by me. Your insecurities are showing.
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That is unnecessary. Your comments are disgusting.
You seem to not read my comments over and over.
The story pov does not have rape.
People can see it as rape. You are telling me what I have been saying. You are agreeing with me.
People can see it as rape but the story doesn’t hold that pov = it is perfectly logical for people to consider the sex in the manhwa to be rape.
I have said it is close to rape too.
I am a victim of cyber bullying. You have seen my aggressive behavior mocking them. I am not aggressive.
Why don’t you try to understand the situation before you judge others.
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I wasnt saying what i said to be polite. I hope it came off as shitty. No on cares if you dont think its rape. I dont give a fuck about that. If that’s all your opinion is, cool. Go on about your day. Im addressing people like you, who jump down people’s throats because we (rightfully so) think something is rape or sa. Youre not respecting anyone’s opinion even tho you’re pretending you are. Youre just hiding behind the “respect everyone’s opinions” mask, even tho you clearly don’t respect anyone who disagrees with you. Also, I dont wanna hear shit about how hard someone worked on this manhwa when you’re literally reading this for free. Go pay to read this and then we can start talking about that. I just find it weird and concerning how upset people like you get when someone even slightly suggests that sex in a manhwa might be rape or sa.
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Youre right, I didn’t read your comments. I just saw you replying to people over and over…like i said. But I digress. If you understand that it’s someone’s POV then we wouldnt be having this conversation. Even if I was upset at someone for not seeing this as rape you wouldn’t care cause “thats my POV” and you would move on. But alas, here you are, passive aggressively arguing about my POV. Because although you’re trying to hide it, this isn’t about how hard the author worked or “different POVs” I, and others, simply don’t agree with you so you’re arguing with us. You can judge me and call me shitty and act of superiority over me but you are doing the exact same thing. It’s very obvious who you agree with and who you dont.
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“I wasnt saying what i said to be polite. I hope it came off as shitty.” Yikes!
“No on cares if you dont think its rape.”
Yes they do.
“ I dont give a fuck about that.” Lie
“ If that’s all your opinion is, cool. “. Read comprehension issues.
“Im addressing people like you, who jump down people’s throats because we (rightfully so) think something is rape or sa.” I have not.
“Youre not respecting anyone’s opinion even tho you’re pretending you are. “. This is you. See your first sentence or any comment here to me. Gaslighting.
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“Youre just hiding behind the “respect everyone’s opinions” mask, even tho you clearly don’t respect anyone who disagrees with you.” Lie. This is never been about a disagreement. Gaslighting.
“Also, I dont wanna hear shit about how hard someone worked on this manhwa when you’re literally reading this for free. “. Irrelevant
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Go pay to read this and then we can start talking about that. “ I already have. Stop judging and assuming.
“ I just find it weird and concerning how upset people like you get when someone even slightly suggests that sex in a manhwa might be rape or sa.”
*^ you have no clue what has happened. And why not try reading.
Story: rape - no
Story: sa - yes
I am a victim.
This is not about a disagreement.
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Let me make this extremely clear. Im not here to be nice to you or be your friend. You dont know me and I dont know you. You are a random person on the internet. Im not entertaining people who pretend to be high and mighty on an illegal sight. Respond with your think pieces on rape and you will be ignored. And thats that. Have a shitty day. :)
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That means I want to be right in my opinions and don’t want to see the truth. They are threatened by saying high and mighty because we are not being high and mighty. How many prolifes does this person have? Why is it always about the story and not the situation?
Tora is better at decoding. This is a profile I have not seen and I don’t think a newcomer would be this hostile or be this opinionated on me.
This is the same thing as the others.
High and mighty
The story is our opinion.
I was repeating the same thing over and over. So they hate the truth.
Trying to make their harassment a disagreement.
Passive aggressive
I missed the comment filled with lies and more gaslighting that has this comment in it:
“ If you understand that it’s someone’s POV then we wouldnt be having this conversation”
They are blaming me. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if they did harassing the ones saying it is not rape.
I am not here arguing.
I am not here passive aggressive arguing.
This person doesn’t understand a conversation.
This is sir donot or toilet. Which I think are the same person. And if they are different people, Toilet has shared knowledge on rape and sa to know the difference.
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I don’t understand y’all logic. Y’all are shitting on Jooin and calling him annoying and stupid for what? Cause he had standards and left Yawhi’s weird ass? Yahwi is going through all this stuff cause he treated someone he “loved” like a sex worker and only gave af about him when he was with someone else. He didn’t “shape up” until Cain showed up even after he promised Jooin he would. At this point Yahwi’s love is just obsession and holding onto something that was never there to begin with. He’s obsessed with Jooin because he actually liked him, but because he couldn’t treat him right Jooin left him. Yes Jooin never spelt out what he wanted from Yawhi but the shit he wanted were basic things anyone in a relationship would want. So just cause he didn’t make thing’s SUPER obvious for Yahwi doesn’t mean he deserved to basically be treated like a prostitute. And I know how you bitches like to tussle about this rape/sa thing but that shouldnt be ignored. And on top of that he fucking slapped Jooin for speaking his mind. Jooin has not once put his hands on Yahwi even when he deserved it (like when Yahwi pretty much blamed him for SA him) but I digress. And to top it all off Yahwi has been harassing Jooin since he broke up with him. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has been done to Yahwi. All the shit he’s going through is because he wont leave Jooin tf alone like he asked
Rare Yours to Claim W
That’s what I’m sayin