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But I’ll say that this story includes rape just like so many other no use denying it
This is where I think if you can see that it is fictional and that it romanticizes rape and you can separate fiction from reality then it is content it really doesn’t matter if you read it because it’s main audience is in Korea and they don’t care
I find that for straight manwhas this isn’t an issue no one criticizes it like this comment section, if anything the people that consume it mostly men will share it and the story will have rape incest ect ex. My aunt
But yeah nuanced topic ig
Definetly true, whats the most concerning about this is that so many people cant differenciate rape from consensual sex because of the romanticisation of it, which contributes to rape culture. I wish this was more like 'A tree without roots' in the way it shows that the actions of the ML aren't excusable and that people dont change that easily. Legit in the first chapter they showed that the ML is a terrible person and that this wasnt a story of love. Would like Jinx more if it did that but its not like im the author am i
Also can you mention some examples with the straight manhwas you mentioned cause from what I've seen a decent amount of people criticise the toxic FL/ML in stuff like Free in dreams, The Predatory Marriage Between the King and the Paladin and little princess mint.
Exactly like killing stalking not a love story doesn’t mean you can’t consume it and it isn’t interesting to explore such topics. And I meant staring manhwa for men like like my aunt also in manga there is so much gross stuff a lot of rape but it targeted to men and no one says anything so I wanted to point out this difference since it’s rarely talked about I mostly see targeted to women be criticized
Prolly cause us men are a lost cause, dudes who enjoy and condone that shit are usually fatass discord mods. They're basically a world meme. Also women get sexually assaulted more than men and often dont get justice so im sure women, actually its better to say female viewers, tend to dislike it a lot more when sexual assault is romanticised. The bottoms in BLs are supposed to be the object of affection cause lots of females would want 'love' to prevail no matter what despite it being a deluded fantasy. Also can i note, this kind of content is directed at women but there are men who read this and seeing another dude get raped is kind of nasty to look at when you're a man yourself
Totally agree, sexual assault should never be romanticized and when it is, it should be very clear it is a delusion and fictional.
Reina I have read your main post and some of the other comments. I will go back and read when I have time.
Can we in a civil conversation. No argument. No attacking. I want to talk in a professional conversation in how you see rape.
I am genuinely interested and I have looked at it. The story is abusive and SA but not rape.
And rape is criticized in straight porn.
What civil argument....aren't you guys constantly shouting "insecurities, sickos, forcing your povs, pos" and all that?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I said civil conversation. Not argument.
How do you shout online? How was cyber bullying /trolling a civil argument. I was standing up to bullies and trolls. There was no argument or disagreement. Insecurities is a call out. Sicko is your side mirrored back. Forcing your pov is a call out. Pos is the only real one and a call out to cyber bullying and trolling.
I was the only one to use pos and sicko.
Is this stemming from confusion or are you gaslighting me.
Why are you using a situation where I was harass against me? I was a victim and I was standing up.
I am civi I would be civil if not for trolls. Why are you counting it against me when I was a victim??
I see why you think that given Dan has an arrangement with jeakyung but as soon as Dan says “no, not here, please stop, I don’t want to” that makes it rape, he is not consenting. Sure he has an arrangement doesn’t mean he can’t refuse
That is a bad argument and can you show me where that is said?
Consented can be give and take away. It can be given and taken away not once but multiple times.
The REAL line in chapter 3 is “ it hurts Stop don’t …..” and at that moment makes it rape! I thought it was rape on my first reading than I read chapter 4
In chapter 4, Joo STOPS because he is CONCERNED.
“Are you crying over that? I barely put it in. “
“No, that’s not why, you just startled me”
Dan could had said he wanted to stop. He could had said I don’t want to. He did not. To Joo or anyone that would be a green light. Joo could had asked but he is toxic.
It is not rape. If you have to lie about it. You know it is not rape.
Let’s continue.
Dan says “no I can do it.” right after. He consented again.
He says “no” again. He stopped consented. Joo stopped if you pay attention.
Joo started without asking this is when we learn he thinks he is with an experience man and not an inexperienced virgin (but inexperienced virgin is details from thought bubbles). Joo is clueless because most men would had know at that point.
Joo starts again. Dan will ask him to go a little gentler.
Dan consented again.
Where is the line you used? Where is the story you are reading?
FYI: I am straight man who was asked to analyze this by a friend. I am a rape crisis counselor. This story is toxic. I have no opinion about it. Just before you made weird arguments to justify your pov.
Yes like in 'Brother in Law Assault', it was very disturbing but the author made it clear that everything going on in it was sexual assault which is what made it readable. Compared to 'Dakaretai Otoko 1-i ni Odosarete Imasu' which romanticised rape and made it seem like the victim was enjoying it. The only romanticised ones im okay with are the ones that specifically and clearly put a warning for romanticised rape as you said. Its really important that authors do consistently remind readers that the relationships they display are not okay or just present it well without romanticisation.
I didn’t mean the quote and a line but as multiple ones like he didn’t days them all together I don’t know where you got that. now Dan is saying no with body as well in some chapters you better quit your job if you don’t see that as rape also jea knows Dan is not in this contract by choice but because he has no other options Dan is forcing himself to sleep with him
Chapter 20 Dan gets a phone call and tell j to stop he says no they only reason he does stop
Is cause Dan screams and mentions his grandma death J had the intention to keep going despite dans refusal the chapter 24 Dan tell J to wait and that it hurts multiple times does J stop no. Wait does not equal yes however it does equal doubt which is not a yes therefore no consent
You are adding thought bubbles to prove your point??
“ you better quit your job if you don’t see that as rape”
Weak-mind attack. You are threatened and all I did was post what is in the story. The story does not have your pov. You lost.
“ also jea knows Dan is not in this contract by choice but because he has no other options Dan is forcing himself to sleep with him “ False.
Where is your version of this story? Joo told him to leave twice the first time.
You have no argument. Especially if you are going to attack me for sharing details from a story. There is no rape. Educate yourself on rape. Read the story better. Joo never forced him into those.
I don’t value your opinion as you can only insult. Don’t lie about the story to make it your POV. Why do you want it to be rape? Is something you should ask yourself. Rape is not sex. Joo wants sex. If you think rape is sex. Seek professional help now.
They weren’t thought bubbled never insulted you never said sex was rape but what do you want to prove there is no rape just sexual assault oh how different I am sure Dan the victim
Is so happy you don’t classify it as rape
At the end of the day this a fictional story you are getting pressed about because there is rape in it and that differs from you opinion
We can agree to disagree but you can’t deny J is a piece of shit taking advantage of a vulnerable person mentally economically and physically
There is a “ no. No, you have to stop” “why”.
I just see cherry picking and not reading the scene or understanding the story.
Hey you better quit reading yaoi or any story if you can’t take the time to comprehend them. That is not an insult according to you.
Since you will not tell me where. I will look when read the story carefully again. I am making a detailed post in the story’s pov.
Dan is a victim. We all know this. Why say this. You know I am saying it is SA. 2 + 2 = he is not a victim??
“I don’t classify it as rape?” I gave you a story lines from chapter 3-4. I am not story lines from chapter 3-4
“You are getting pressed” when people are losing/have lost they try to discredit others by applying emotions on them in hopes to humiliate them. I am not the story. Personal attacks - lost.
My opinion? My opinion is story lines from chapter 3-4. The story’s pov is my opinion. You are so threatened you make the story’s POV, my opinion?
I am not into this story. Your weird arguments falls apart. My real problem is “see rape or be mentality ill that needs professional help.” Don’t make me your side.
Your last part was unnecessary. Who is defending him. He is toxic. Are you that threatened that your pov is wrong?
The story is not rape.
You can have that pov.
We stand with the story who wants the harassment to stop. You basically told me to see rape or quit my job. That is a childish mentality and you can’t force me into your POV. Respect other’s pov. We have not being forcing you or anyone into a pov. We have not say Dan wasn’t a victim. We have not say Joo was wasn’t a toxic person. Why don’t you listen and have a conversation istead of “this argument” “that argument” “kitchen sink” “cherry on top” trying desperately to prove your right and superior. When most was unnecessary arguments.
Story’s POV: Dan is a victim. It is not my opinion
Story’s POV: Joo is toxic (not as toxic as you made him): it is not my opinion.
Story’s POV: no rape. It is not my opinion.
I am not the Story’s POV.
I really don’t care how someone’s views this. Hate, love, or like. One of my friends hates it. One finds it dull. Another likes it but is disappointed with it. I don’t care.
I just wished the “see rape or quit your job/ mentality ill needs professional help”, would stop. It is childish and reeks of insecurities.
I liked the old end imo it didn’t need a second season were they bring back the blond guy I really like jun and subin though it says they fight a lot they comfort and balance each other out subin will only get tired with the blond guy what they have is the what ifs but if they get together it won’t be good imo
Sorry if this is sudden, just asking bec. I was planning to restart reading this webtoon. But did the mc break up with the 2nd lead???
No they haven’t but it looks like it’s going that way
Oh, I see. Thank you for clearing it up. What a let down if they ever break up. I've always thought how cool it was that the author did not let the mc end up with the childish and indecisive main love interest.