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It’s still always the female protagonist that’s the “problem”

Jase September 8, 2018 5:38 pm

I like how the recent chapters show us Noah’s “coming of age” story and showing us him exploring his sexuality as a teen.
But I feel seeing him being showed that he’s paired with a guy creates a clash in the story.
I see a lot of people comparing and saying that they prefer Dohye over Nayeon.
Now it’s like she’s weak she’s a hoe etc.
It’s like she’s suddenly the problem in the story.
Female protagonists seem to be a target for hate all the time.
If they’re not a “fighter”, they’re automatically hated and labeled incompetent or useless.
Sad.

Responses
    Rae September 8, 2018 6:15 pm

    I actually do not dislike Nayeon however I do not and always felt that Nayeon wasn't a good fit for Noah due to her being heterosexual and not really seeming to want to get to know Noah without it being about her vagina. It's cool, sex is a great thing and even the author of this story got some well needed criticism over Noah and Nayeo.'s relationship and how she's handling Noah's sexual abuse. Do you honestly think someone who is going through something that Noah is going through needs to be with someone like Nayeon that only thinks about pleasure? I can't speak for everyone else but I like Doyhe because he generally cares about Noah even in the future. Sure, Doyhe is acting like a horny teenager because in this story he is a horny teenager. It has nothing to do with Yaoi for me.

    NyaaNKaTReadS September 8, 2018 8:09 pm
    I actually do not dislike Nayeon however I do not and always felt that Nayeon wasn't a good fit for Noah due to her being heterosexual and not really seeming to want to get to know Noah without it being about h... Rae

    i agree *shrug*

    Rae September 8, 2018 8:21 pm
    I actually do not dislike Nayeon however I do not and always felt that Nayeon wasn't a good fit for Noah due to her being heterosexual and not really seeming to want to get to know Noah without it being about h... Rae

    I meant hypersexual not heterosexual

    kat September 9, 2018 12:03 am

    I do agree that female characters often get criticized for being too superficial but this is a story where this is actually valid. Nayeon had only considered Noah for sex and while Dohye had sexual feelings for Noah, he simultaneously wanted to cherish him and marry him. He is the sole person that genuinely cares and loves Noah and considering his sexual abuse, that is what he deserves.

    Jase September 9, 2018 4:39 am

    She can’t be Noah’s ’hero’ like how everyone’s expecting her to be when she doesn’t even know 100% what’s happening to Noah all the time.
    And I don’t think Noah expects her to be involved. He just wants to be with her.
    We see Nayeon having sex with Noah or blushing or whatever and few chapters before that we see Noah being abused. But we see that, not Nayeon.
    When you’re in love with someone and the relationship is new, you don’t automatically become their savior. Your initial instincts are: you’d wanna go out on a date or have sex etc lovey dovey.

    Jase September 9, 2018 4:51 am
    I actually do not dislike Nayeon however I do not and always felt that Nayeon wasn't a good fit for Noah due to her being heterosexual and not really seeming to want to get to know Noah without it being about h... Rae

    It doesn’t seem that Nayeon doesn’t care for Noah.
    She just doesn’t know the level of abuse that Noah’s going through.
    Noah doesn’t ask for help or opens up about it.
    So, naturally, Nayeon’s only focus right now is the desire aspect in their relationship.
    And the theme of Noah and Nayeon’s interactions are based on attraction.
    Don’t tell me that Noah doesn’t want Nayeon and doesn’t enjoy fucking her.

    kat September 9, 2018 7:05 am
    She can’t be Noah’s ’hero’ like how everyone’s expecting her to be when she doesn’t even know 100% what’s happening to Noah all the time. And I don’t think Noah expects her to be involved. He ju... Jase

    I'm not going to be bias and claim that Nayeon doesn't care for Noah at all, bc it is evident that she does. However, she does not perceive him in the way Dohye does (or did). We're just saying if we had to chose someone that would be a better fit for Noah it would be Dohye because their chemistry is far more organic. Dohye is so "head over heels" for Noah it becomes a running joke in the side story that Noah is always embarrassed about. Not to mention he had decided to wait and "earn" Noah by doing their relationship trial before actually beginning a relationship. He just does more things for Noah than Nayeon has ever or could ever do. It's not about gender either. Unfortunately, I think that is the case for many fans bc fujoshis make up the majority population in a fandom but at least I and (still) many others can comfortably say it isn't. There's a reason why the majority are for Dohye.

    kat September 9, 2018 7:12 am
    It doesn’t seem that Nayeon doesn’t care for Noah.She just doesn’t know the level of abuse that Noah’s going through.Noah doesn’t ask for help or opens up about it.So, naturally, Nayeon’s only focus... Jase

    Trust me when I say I do strongly understand the fact that most female characters are criticized for being--well, female and I STRONGLY hate that as well. I mean, I am a female myself so of course it wouldn't sit well with me. Female characters are often used as the irritating obstacles in anime and comics and that just derives from Japanese and Korean culture. Times are changing(although very slowly) in all countries but women are basically seen as useless apart from giving birth. There are many men AND women that do not like female leading roles and least likely want to relate to female characters or indulge in a movie or story that was written by one. While considering these facts, I still cannot see Nayeon being the best fit for Noah IF compared by Dohye. Women should not be ashamed for having sexual feelings and acting upon them. But again, it's not about the gender. I mean it really isn't. Gender obviously doesn't matter to Noah he just loves who he loves, so that's why it doesn't matter here.

    kat September 9, 2018 7:16 am
    It doesn’t seem that Nayeon doesn’t care for Noah.She just doesn’t know the level of abuse that Noah’s going through.Noah doesn’t ask for help or opens up about it.So, naturally, Nayeon’s only focus... Jase

    Also, considering your argument is "don't tell me that Noah doesn't enjoy fucking Nayeon" like ??what lmao is this a joke? Yeah, because that's TOTALLY why Nayeon is a better fit for Noah, because of their sex life. What are you, in middle school? YIKES. Like, c'mon dude grow up LMAOOOO. He was raped several times for pete's sake. You've lost all credibility at this point. SAD.

    Jase September 9, 2018 7:33 am
    I'm not going to be bias and claim that Nayeon doesn't care for Noah at all, bc it is evident that she does. However, she does not perceive him in the way Dohye does (or did). We're just saying if we had to cho... kat

    I guess maybe the author is to be blame on how they’re aligning the characters now.
    I hope the author does try and redeem Nayeon’s character from her haters.

    A majority of people not liking Nayeon based on the comment section is because she’s ‘useless’ or ‘dumb’ or ‘hoe’.
    The only way to save Nayeon as a character is to turn her into a saviour messiah type that she suddenly solves the death/disappearance of Noahs mom and kills everyone that abused Noah with a samurai.

    I’m glad to have had this discussion with you and how we both state our points without the need of caps lock or name calling.

    Jase September 9, 2018 8:24 am
    Also, considering your argument is "don't tell me that Noah doesn't enjoy fucking Nayeon" like ??what lmao is this a joke? Yeah, because that's TOTALLY why Nayeon is a better fit for Noah, because of their sex ... kat

    Oh wow, this just flipped And now you're really going after me. I thought we were chill with each others viewpoint on this story.
    Is Nayeon raping Noah? No. They're in a consensual relationship.
    Just cuz a person is abused doesn't mean they can't fall in love and want a person sexually.
    I'm no dude. i've had encountered being sexually harrassed on public train when I was a teen but I have a boyfriend and I want him to touch me. I dont think I'm sick for wanting that from him.

    Noah likes her. Okay? Why does that seem a terrible thing? They like each other. She isn't forcing him in any way. They like doing it with each other.

    I don't understand why you and everybody else is so opposed to the main couple.
    Nayeon is no predator. Noah wants her. What is wrong with that?
    He does need help yes he does and his adootive family needs to be in prison.
    But dont forget the main narration of the story was Noah and Nayeon meeting amd being attracted to each other.

    kat September 9, 2018 8:53 am
    Oh wow, this just flipped And now you're really going after me. I thought we were chill with each others viewpoint on this story. Is Nayeon raping Noah? No. They're in a consensual relationship. Just cuz a per... Jase

    Literally WHEN did I say that Nayeon was a predator. I JUST fucking said that women should have sexual feelings without feeling ashamed about it. Don’t try to argue with someone and dismiss their claims. It’s disrespectful as fuck. Come back when you want to have an intellectual and mature conversation.

    kat September 9, 2018 8:54 am
    Oh wow, this just flipped And now you're really going after me. I thought we were chill with each others viewpoint on this story. Is Nayeon raping Noah? No. They're in a consensual relationship. Just cuz a per... Jase

    At this point, you’re just trying to argue with someone. You’re not worth my time.

    Jase September 9, 2018 9:12 am
    Literally WHEN did I say that Nayeon was a predator. I JUST fucking said that women should have sexual feelings without feeling ashamed about it. Don’t try to argue with someone and dismiss their claims. It�... kat

    Ugh and now you're saying im imature.
    I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. But started calling me names. You called me a dude, a middleschooler. And that makes you mature?
    I actually liked your prevous response but now they're like all rage.

    You didn't say the word predator but you basically said that Nayeon wanting sex from Noah is not right. It's like you're putting her in line with Noah's abusers.
    Why is that?
    They're in a relationship, why would that be wrong?
    Is it wrong for Nayeon to be attracted to Noah? Viceversa?

    Noah is going through hell because of his shitty adoptive mom and sister but why is it bad for him to be in love with someone?
    What does Nayeon have to do with Noah's family? Nothing.
    The same with Dohye.
    We just saw some chapters of how he was so gentle and understanding.
    I don't see the difference with Nayeon. The same except she's more expressive with her lust.

    kat September 9, 2018 10:31 pm
    Ugh and now you're saying im imature. I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. But started calling me names. You called me a dude, a middleschooler. And that makes you mature? I actually liked your ... Jase

    If you're going to get offended by me calling you "DUDE" which is not the equivalent to a MALE. It means BRO and it is gender neutral it's like SoCal slang. It's literally teenager lingo but maybe you live in a country where you're not familiar with that ?? Anyways, you're obviously getting offended for no reason. I did not insinuate ANYTHING. If I did call Nayeon a predator then obviously, come at me because that IS wrong but I never insinuated any fucking thing. I do not think Nayeon as a bad person. For you to twist someone's words around IS immature and wrong. If you are going to claim something then properly do it, don't pick apart someone else's sentences and DON'T argue just for the sake of arguing. Immature people trolling on the internet do not receive my respect nor my time. Not to mention you are literally putting words in my mouth to make me seem like the bad guy. I am literally so unbias and it's so sad to see that people cannot be the same. I do pray that one day you will be able to grow up and have a mature conversation with someone online or in real life.

    kat September 9, 2018 10:34 pm
    Ugh and now you're saying im imature. I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. But started calling me names. You called me a dude, a middleschooler. And that makes you mature? I actually liked your ... Jase

    No one's fucking hinting at anything. NO ONE's putting Nayeon in line with abusers. You're literally just getting offended for stupid shit. At this point, you do not deserve any respect because you cannot even reciprocate respect back. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm losing brain cells just reading your responses. Just leave this be and understand that most people prefer Dohye over Noah for VALID reasons. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

    kat September 9, 2018 10:35 pm
    Ugh and now you're saying im imature. I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. But started calling me names. You called me a dude, a middleschooler. And that makes you mature? I actually liked your ... Jase

    There's a reason why yall are in the minority lmaooo

    Jase September 10, 2018 12:13 am

    I said I was glad to have had an intellectual discussion with you. And ultimately realized that the author is to be blamed on creating this polarity between Nayeon and Dohye.
    Maybe creating this rift between those 2 characters is part of the plot? Gt attention snd hype from reader? Idk.
    But then suddenly after you’ve explained your side, you gave another comment that was like literally attacking me and no longer my view point. We can disagree on how we take the story just don’t tell someone they’re not smart for not having the same opinion. You suddenly wentbeserk when you read the part when I said Noah enjoys fucking Nayeon.

    Jase September 10, 2018 12:48 am
    There's a reason why yall are in the minority lmaooo kat

    I guess I made you lose your patience because I just did not stop explaining my side.
    I was just willing to elaborate my thoughts to the fullest.
    To me, we weren't fighting. Just two people talking.
    Until you started becoming angry.
    Maybe you have an exam or have a presentation at work tomorrow but I had the time and energy to talk about this. If we were responding back through voice recording you would've got my tone and know that it's not domineering or shouting.
    I'm sorry for ticking you off.
    I don't hate you.
    Maybe this whole manhwa is badly executed.
    I thought I was finally gonna get a story about a female's exploration on sex and not be judged but then this suddenly become a crime drama yaoi. Obviously our female lead is now out of place. Completely irredeemable.
    Have a good day, Kat.
    Hope you buy or eat something nice today.
    Hope you and your crush will bump into each other.

    kat September 10, 2018 1:45 am
    I guess I made you lose your patience because I just did not stop explaining my side. I was just willing to elaborate my thoughts to the fullest.To me, we weren't fighting. Just two people talking. Until you st... Jase

    Yo, i'm tired of arguing with you so please stop responding to me, thanks. I did believe the way you lastly responded was very civil and I really appreciate that. However, I do not like that you've made assumptions like "maybe you had a bad day so that's probably why you're blowing up on me." No. I lost my patience with you and that's entirely your fault. It has NOTHING to do with Nayeon. It was because of YOU. Not NAYEON. For the last fucking time she's literally not on my mind.
    Me: The way you're responding is immature
    You: OMG!!! STOP ATTACKING NAYEON SHE DID NOTHING WRONG
    Me: I- ??//???/???
    Now, leave me alone and stop bothering other people with your supposed "mature" conversation. Stop attacking people simply because they do not agree with you. It's honestly sad.