I mean this is basically the whole conversation and I don't see once a suggestion that "Fei fans" might dislike other characters. I wouldn't even call that "attacking", she made some good points actually.
LF: This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !!
A: Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. Very different from Fei. Preferences.
LF: Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be killed by him. But in HL Ahiito there is not, so I considered the report then, not in relation to what happened later
A: Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the bloodshed. None of which has anything to do with what I was saying. Asami specifically tells Fei flat out that he has preferences and Fei ain't one of them. Of course, Akihito doesn't come into it at that point. But later, Akihito is an example of what Asami does prefer. So we can look back at High Loft and see that Fei is very much not Asami's type and it was a shame that Fei spent seven years eating his heart out.
My original point is that some readers seem to not be able to grasp that while they themselves find Fei to be irresistible, it is possible that Asami does not and never did. He resists him, in fact, very well. We do not all have the same tastes. You like Fei. Asami doesn't. How hard is that to understand?
DL: It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business.
We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a friend/comrade but that's not going to stop us from liking Fei.
For us Fei is more than Asami's potential lover or part of a love triangle. Is it too hard for you to understand or you can only like a character if they're part of a ship?┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍
'There was nothing to contradict except what readers have built up in their minds because they have fallen for the sad underdog trope.'
By the pattern looks like she/he is always the same anon who, probably, wants to provoke a reaction in some sensitive fans. Doesn't this person have anything better to do than comment on a character they dislike? What a waste of time, in my opinion.
And so? Allow people to have their own opinion, if you don't share their opinion why do you have to go into the trouble to copy and paste these strands of conversation? Maybe Romanceisdead69 was right about you and your way to insist in having the last word. I will simplify your efforts agreeing with you:
'This is my solemn statement that I, Lady L, am nothing more than a crazy Fei fan who can't understand the complexity of this story.'
Happy now?
I copy pasted because I felt she misunderstood the whole conversation, wanted to make it clear, and even myself had to read it that way to fully understand the whole thing, as I was perplexed when she said the anon claimed "fei fans dislike other characters". And at the end of the day indeed there was no such claim, so that clears it up.
Calm down, I wasn't even addressing you so you're the one sounding like you want the last word, and it wasn't to put her down or anything like that ^^"
The Fei Long novel told another story though. At one point Fei Long realizes why he went for Akihito, and never for him: because he wanted someone that wasn't from his own "underground" world, someone from the "light". If I remember that correctly ^^'.
Of course one can dispute the canonicality of it, but I feel sensei was just showing all this time how even his peers misunderstand him.
And I feel it's not that he preferred X or Y, but that before Akihito he was never serious about his relationships (if he had any).
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. He doesn't have to be lovers with them either that was what LF was trying to say yet anon answered as if LF was talking about a romantic connection. ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍
You understand perfectly, but it's all worthless. To imagine an old and weak interest of Asami X Fei is seen as a romantic delirium. Everyone has his opinion, but for me the kiss of Asami and Fei speaks alone.
Ah I see your point :)
I think it's a balance between the two points though. Because he wasn't in love with Fei he could very well resist him, but because he may not have to have romantic feelings in order to have sex with someone anyway he may have liked it if there ever was an occasion for it.
It's just really hard to gauge how much at the end of the day he really did feel a desire for Fei though. Could be quite a lot, could be not much at all. Kind of left to each's interpretation if you ask me.
We came to say that Asami, when he says "I do not want to force you", does not respond to "this is it?" of Fei (who expected a complete sexual relationship) but refers to Liu Talen
Sorry but is it not only possible that Asami does not want to take advantage of a man he sees lost and confused, with whom he wants to maintain equality and from which he does not want to be considered a lascivious?
Maybe it's better to say it plain and simple: EROTIC connection (even if just a bit) to avoid any misunderstanding. Yeah, probably Asami had many lovers, but I still think that deep inside him, he still feels something for:
His silver fox BDSM sugar daddy who taught him everything (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
A kiss to you, sugar daddy, anywhere you are now (in the Paradise of yaoi).
There's no point getting bothered by these, LadyLigeia and dragonlady. Let them say whatever they want. And we can say whatever we wish to without feeling intimidated either. Because sure, they can call some character "underdog" and get away with it. And there's "nothing wrong". But we can't ever be the same. We said one thing totally harmless and getting picked out for it. But that's also "reasonable". That's why I said I'm getting sick of this fandom and moved on to somewhere better. Either that, or we learn to take things with a pinch of salt. That makes you happier and peaceful.
Yes, let's just say erotic love before everyone starts to throw us kosher salt.(≧∀≦)
I fell in and out of love more than once in my life and every single one of them was special to me. Even if Asami fell in love with someone else before (whether it's Fei or someone else) it doesn't make love he feels for Aki any less special right?
Yeah, I think first love was his Silver fox daddy too, after all who could forget such a man. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
I don't offer any ideas, just want to say we underestimated Sensei (=・ω・=)