how ??? if that’s what sunwon asked for??
He’ll always be rapist even if sunwon consented to the sex this time
Thats called being groomed and manipulated by trauma hunty, thats called dub con love pls dont embarrass yourself
if we talk about grooming, Mc literally groomed everyone under the pretense of worship-
Agreed
So youre completely forgetting the fact that mc got shipped off to a different dimension and he HAD to do that cuz either that or die. But yeah idont care what you think, you have your pov. I wasnt talking about mc or his manipulative ways, but sure, way to go with that red herring fallacy shit in my topic about vercion.
Tl;dr nobody asked, go f yourself
You know, it's not like I disagree that Vercion is shit lmao
I just want to straighten some facts.
I think you're forgetting that Mc doesn't really need to instigate sexual schemes in order to survive?
Are you forgetting that he groomed them because he was sexually frustrated? not because it was a must that he had to do in order to survive. It was explicitly shown that mc wants to fuck.
Also, I don't think you should be using thr word "Grooming" without having a full grasp of what it really meant and randomly throwing the word around. You aren't a child who picked up new word and uses it every opportunity you see.
Vercion didn't "GROOM" mc, it was vercion and the rest who are groomed because mc coerced them to do sexual acts under the pretense of worship. Mc didn't need to make the worship about sex, but he had to, why? he wants to
Grooming is when you build trust and attachment in order to manipulate a child or an adult to perform sexual deeds. That's what mc did.
Did Vercion do that? he didn't, All he did was do what his "god" wanted and became addicted in the process
So yes, Vercion is a rapist. Mc is a groomer and a rapist too
where did the manipulation regarding sex started? With MC. I agree that manipulation is something that mc needed to do, but does mc need to coerce them with sex? No he doesn't need to, he can pretend to be their god without making them believe that worship is sex.
Tbh I'm just irked seeing you use a word without using it properly and be a bitch to someone haha.
cuz ya look like you wanna be savage so much, but you do you-- go off with your high sense of superiority complex and keep on shitting others because that's what you're good at
Also i can't believe you used the word fallacy Where tf is the fallacy?? that mc is manipulative and a groomer? but that's def not a fallacy. Go read back the story
MF, as the person above stated , mc ALSO did horrible things, one thing doesn't change the other. I swear, people have completely unlearned the power of a point of view AND of critical consumption.
Vercion is a rapist, no doubt, but the fact that Mc got "shipped off to a different dimension" doesn't excuse the fact that he deliberately created an environment I'm which sex (which, may I remind you, he wanted for himself at the very beginning) was encouraged by who the people of this foreign land (that was DESPERATE for a miracle) think is their god, how is that not a fucked up thing to do?
We don't pay much mind to it because A- In the end this is just a comic, things don't need to follow a normal moral compass and B- We are reading this though MC's pov, of fucking course it isn't framed as depraved because MC doesn't see it as depraved.
"Nobody asked" YOU asked by opening the discussion to others to reply, and if no one asked then let it be us who do.
I aint reading all that certified yapper you win go take your fuck off trophy from my ass
Womp womp
Aww, honey, your response makes it clear you aren't old and/or mature to even read this comic in the first place, maybe stick with kids shows next time? ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
i mean… i assure you consensual sex with adults who were taught its worship is different than harsh sexual violence and rape. no one is denying otherwise… op can criticize both characters but the focus is the priest. religious manipulation after a forced isekai is not just as horrible than extremely violent rape (within this context)
calling suwon a rapist is such a reach though… oh god because now you’re misusing that term when it’s sex that’s been coerced or forced
Sorry, you're right-- I used the wrong word, it shouldn't be coercion since there's no violence and threats but simply grooming--
You know its still grooming right? it happens in religious places too— Priests who grooms believers regardless of age? and then calling it a part of religious practices? it used to happen around our village
so like, Sunwon is a rapist- He did groom them. These are believers who would follow their god based on blind trust, Sunwon did took advantage of that and for a clear reason
victims of grooming have blind trust after getting attached and manipulated
and i get the focus is the priest at first, but Op did defend sunwon afterwards, so it's no longrr about the priest-
And i still do think vercion is a rapist himself
no yea i didn’t disagree with him being a groomer. but wanted to educate that he’s not a rapist + imo his actions aren’t as terrible as a consistently violent rapist. he should still be criticized just not compared to how awful vercion
but… no it’s not rape that’s plain grooming. i get that it exists in a vacuum but rape is fully about consent vs him misleading them about worship where they had room to decline. if we still disagree then we can leave this argument as is but the point still stands that rape = coercion or use of force
Ohh, I see
Then i agree, thanks for clarifying that
Why tf are you being such a bitch, and how tf would he die from not having sex like what???
Genshin fans when they lose 50/50 so they have to make everyone miserable
i think op was talking about how vercion forced mc and was threatening his life if he declined. not how he needs sex as a necessity
Pls dont tell them they really need to bring how mc is as equally worse here just to justify vercions rape. I cant believe i would see rape apologists here in this forum but oh well nothing surprises me.
Me : "vercion rapist"
Wild dogs: "no mc is groomer"
Me: "uhh okay that wasnt the point here tho"
Wild dogs : "mc bad, youre a bitch"
Me: "you completely derailed from my comment but okay"
Okay rapist vercion is back