"sit down child" lol u really though u did something and I mainly just said this to make the other person mad cause they got so angry at my last reply lol
"I know it's hard to accept that we're stupid sometimes but what can you do?" lol this is so extremely funny and ironic coming from u and obviously im not gonna spend time reading ur other reply cause my impression of u from how u replied to me is all i need to know. And its so sad that ur content with being so mad but okay if this is ur last reply :)
Damn then she shouldn't have acted so bratty and maybe she would have gotten it. I feel bad for Nvaier cause she even left all of her saving to Trashta and Trashta just gave it all away :(
This isn’t classist at all. These days too many are constant VICTIM mongers. Nobody is responsible for their own behavior. Let’s take those who grow up poor, in the projects, surrounded by absent fathers, drug addict mothers, etc. some choose to use that excuse to lead a shitty life. However, many others work their asses off and fight their way out. It’s a choice. Now let’s say you come from a family with everything. You have it all, but parents are too busy for you. Some decide to be rich brats, do drugs, drive their $80,000 cars from mommy and daddy, too fast and kill people. Others choose to overcome.
Rashta had choices. Navier wanted to teach her, she refused. Navier gave her important advice, she ignored it. Did she have stupid ass fucking men giving her bad advice all her life? Yes, but she kept listening to them. At some point people become responsible for their own behavior. You can’t play the damned victim card your entire freaking life. Learn from your experiences or pay the price. She paved the road that she took. In the beginning I can see a person in that position, faltering, but at this point it’s all on her. Not a classist thing. It’s a stupid person too damned lazy to take the hard road.
You had some good takes and almost understand how the world works but failed in the meritocracy discussion,
As someone who grew up poor, surviving by governments projects, with a absent father, adicted mother and surrounded by people in the exact same situation and "fight my way out" and made it I feel the extreme need to defend the ones who didn't made it, Don't take me wrong I believe everyone should deal with the consequences of their actions and that when a person chose to willingly do harm she automatically already acepted the punishment,
BUT let's not be hypocrite here, it's not fifty-fifty disproportionately a poor kid will most likely not make it and a rich kid will make it, the system works this way, you can't point at the 1 in 100 and say "he made it so you didn't cuz you didn't try hadder" I won't let you, don't talk about the choice between the knife and the gun
For some of the people I grew up with "the easy path" consequences was way better than the life of their hard worker parents/sisters/brothers who lowed their heads gave their all, endured it, studied, made everything right in the path society tells them and still got nowhere, while others never had a choice in the first place and don't say "die of hungry with your crying kid" is a choice
most poor people are hard workers, if they don't work they die if they want any kind of leisure or confort they HAVE to work harder, but the one in 100 didn't made it cuz they "work while others slept" this statement is so funny cuz most poor people work/study from 7 to 18 + 2 hours to come and go from work + domestic labour if they want to have a chance in moving up to a better job of course they will study while others sleep....if they manage to stay awake, they get one free day in a week...if they work legally....and most likely have to do all what they couldn't in a week to get SOME leisure time and you know most won't go anywhere, what diferenciate the ones who do to the ones who don't is pure lucky, try hard will help you get a chance that's all, and maybe you get a chance maybe the one who didn't try that much get this chance instead, maybe he let it go and you take it maybe someone else who tried even harder get it, in the neighborhood I come from you get more chances of dying of a "missing bullet" than moving up on life
While all the junkies and murderers rich/upper midle class kids will pay money, go to therapy and live comfortably, well maybe a small percentage will end up in psiquiatric houses or end their life
If we bring it for these types of stories the "Cinderella" (Rastha in this case) got lucky she was in the right place at the right time, she got a chance, "leave slavery with this charming man who wants to form a family with me" she took it, for her inate social ability and trying hard to please she got good attention from nobles, she tried to be friends with the highest ranking lady someone she thought would be her family, in her mind someone who would be a official mother to her children, remember she doesn't know anything about nobility all she heard is that they are forced to Mary and often have mistress, for her it was normal, and she failed for lack of knowledge, had her being a noble lady or someone who received a formal education as any other mistress she would know to stay out of the queen and her followers eye, but she didn't as well as she didn't know anything about finances, nobility or how to be a mistress or a paper queen and she didn't had how to learn cuz SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO FUCKING READ and that's why she fall this is what people are criticizing even if she had been a pure and innocent quiet girl who didn't do anything she would still fall anyway cuz sovieshu is infertile, and duke ergy was there to set her up, she could have a better end once she already had noble parents and could have appealed to sympathy to get her way? Probably but not because she tried har but because she was given a certain status and power
In the other hand a noble lady in her place would know exactly what to do, how to do to not suffer backlash and would have the support to fight back and even if she losed in the end she would still live comfortably
NO ONE no one chooses to lead a shitty life. Poor people most often work multiple labour-intensive jobs. Poverty is generational and not just something that you can get out of by simply setting your mind to it and "working hard", poor people are already working hard and they are exhausted. Grandparents, parents, and kids so they give up. To say that someone in these kinds of circumstances just "chose" to live an unhappy poverty-ridden life is extremely obtuse.
Also, it's kinda redundant to compare our current social structures to those of a story with an European-inspired aristocracy setting. It's a weird comparison to be like "Well in our modern times there are poor people that "choose" to be bums so this slave character here who doesn't know the etiquette of the high aristocracy of this fantasy world, can't read and was just picked up by the emperor to be his baby machine is also choosing to be a bum and that's why the story isn't classist"
I'm not excusing Rashta's actions or thinking that the harmful acts someone commits shouldn't have consequences simply because they are poor.
I think the story is classist because the narrative seems to be treating Rashta like a clown for things this character has no control over. You don't choose to be a slave (literally you don't get a say) so for the story to constantly be like ''look at her she doesn't know how to read what an idiot"," oh she doesn't know how to properly address this aristocracy she's so embarrasing" etc etc is weird. All the things that are supposed to make us readers laugh at her for being an idiot are a direct result of her being a former slave and that's just as tone-deaf as you saying that poor people are using the awful circumstances they were born into as excuses to be lazy and stay poor.
You’re right. I tried to make a quick catch-all reply on a subject that requires more in-depth discussion. You’re reply is spot on and I appreciate the time you took to delve deeper.
I never felt the story made her a clown quite the opposite to me the story is always painting her as pathetic, as any person who went straight out of extreme poverty (poverty of human rights like food, clothing, education, health etc) to a high class life, where every little habit, rule, what they wear, how they speak etc is made to "differentiate" themselves as superior, as "noble"
To me this is just another prove this was all a well trough subversion of the genre, even to the detail of the "Cinderella dress" full of sparkle and jewelry, cuz first who chose this dress? Why? In a normal Cinderella story taking in consideration MC would not know the dress etiquette nor the "meaning" everything she would chose for her big day would be a quimera aberration in the eyes of the ones who spend their lives studying what each gem in a jewel means, if someone else chose it obviously this would just highlight how she is just useless to beginning until the end, and most importantly the "pure and fresh" image that "moved" both nobility and commoners doesn't fit into a elaborate dress, authors usually make their Cinderella or a pushover who just go with the flow or a hypocrite saint complaing in their heads how nobility is so vain for a hot shower (hence the famous bathtub scene of the "beast" being turned into human) in both cases they will likely let others decide everything or author will make the world bend to the MC who will be a fashion icon for her "fresh take" on fashion.....like noble people would find beautiful the clothing associated with dirty slaves, or even the famous flowy white dresses.....like this wasn't a trend between nobility in real life exactly cuz it was super elitist and impossible to a commoner but more importantly a commoner interested in clothing wouldn't be different of rastha or any new money or even "ghetto girl" they eyes will shine wearing what they could never had before, they want the jewelry they want the "brand logo"(in real life) they want the princess dress who got out of bridal fashion years ago and is considered super tacky for anyone into fashion, it's like so obvios exactly what author is doing cuz he uses real life "situations" new money are aways the rude ones, they show-off, they are always thinking they earned it and they are better, they don't want to be humble, and the old rich HATE them for it, they will make fun and think they are ridiculous but the truth is aways that it bothers them seeing all their "culture" being shaken and used by these nobody once these nobody doesn't follow their rules and lick their feet anymore
The poor people will aspire to be like the Cinderella will support Cinderella, and think she is going to be there for them cuz "she knows what they went through" but they don't even know Cinderella and chances are Cinderella is a bitch
And new money are just exploiting the workers, that's how they get there
To me the story is elitist cuz it gives of the "poor people will always lose and make a fool of themselves" it would be perfect if the riot ended up in a democracy or a over trown but the fact it all still ends in the hands of nobles was kinda meh to me, realistic nevertheless and I know there was commoners characters who were of importance and all but as the story focuses on navier and she is a queen it really feels kinda empty on that side, even more cuz we find out it was all ploted by nobles and in the end nobles move the world by themselves
This is why I was holding out for Rashta to be so much more than she ended up being. Her greed for power could've been so well-justified, but nah, bc she's the bad guy she needs to be nothing but a conceited bitch. When the mc in these kinda shoujo stories needs cash and influence there's always an excuse for it, but when the bad guys want the same things it's a vain and selfish thing to do, and any potential depth on that part goes flying out the window.
This story always read as classist to me. As an author how do you come up with this plot of "look at THIS STUPID ILLITERATE SLAVE GIRL SLUT, who does she think she is? Isn't it pathetic how she doesn't know any of the etiquette? Haha, what an idiot thinking she can raise in status instead look at our "poor" aristocratic woman who never faced a moment of hardship in her entire life, who has loving parents, got an education, and is married to an emperor? Isn't it so sad for her when some STUPID SLAVE SLUT tires stealing her man?? Oh, but don't worry, since our high-born FL is so perfect, she has many men running after her. What a girlboss" genuinely what has to be going through your head to think of that. It seems like the author noticed that people are more likely to feel something for Rashta since she has an interesting backstory and ambitions to overcome actual adversity, as opposed to the "perfect" cupboard that Navier is, so with every new chapter they started trying to embarrass the character in the story itself by making her stupider, less self-aware and vain slowly descending into a caricature of what Rashta was at the beginning as a character.