no one acts like other manhwas aren't the same, it's a well known fact that most bl tropes are toxic and have abusive undertones. it doesn't really matter if jaekyung gets 'character development', it doesn't erase the fact that he sexually exploits dan and is a problematic character. obviously jaekyung is going to become a better person and end up with dan, but that's a problem in itself. it's okay for manhwas to have dark themes, it's fiction, but the issue is that most of these stories, romanticise it instead of criticising it. so many bl manhwas depict r*pe and abuse, but the characters always end up together. for people who can't seperate fiction and reality, they start to think that kind of behaviour is excusable.
take killing stalking for example, obviously very messed up, but not once did the author ever romanticise it or excuse any character's behaviour. i totally get what you're saying about jaekyung providing dan with things like food, housing and a job, but the problem is that jaekyung uses his power and money to exploit dan, who doesn't have the means to support himself.
i'm not trying to attack you or anything (lol) but it's just really important for people to understand that jaekyung is not a good person, and his actions can't be redeemed or excused, no matter the character development he goes through. you can definitely still read bls like this, but just seperate fiction from reality.
It's true, BL is messes up some times lol. Look at the BL called Sissy and you'll see the MC has friends that get him out of that situation but the main character keeps coming back in contact with that abuse and it's an emotional roller coaster. So if I can read that I can definitely read Jinx lol
You're talking like it's only Bl that romanticizes sexual assault. A lot of popular movies and straight novels, anime, and a lot of media in different forms romanticize many bad things. So why is the blame only going to Bls? Y'all should chill tf out because any adult should be educated on this shit. Kids should also be wrong reading this. Romanticize this, romanticize that, it's fiction, and a lot of things are romanticized irl. It isn't always due to the media we consume.
I just feel a lot of people are sensitive and considering Jinx is now popular, y'all are trying to look for the fittest means to drag an author down just because she's trying to form a bond between two imperfect and suffering characters. Fiction is wild, it makes us see things we don't get to see irl, we get to explore the wild and anyone should know what is preferable for them. Anyone should know their morals and be able to differentiate whatsoever. The problem is you, don't blame this on the story lmao.
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when did i ever say that other media doesn't romanticise it? it's just a more common problem with bl. im not targeting this author specifically or people who read this, i literally read it too. so many bl authors use their stories to justify sexual assault, and it honestly just makes it seem like a fetish. why is it necessary to show r*pe scenes in full? you can still get your point across without it. almost every single bl i come across has sexual assault in it, so it's obviously a much larger problem. you said you can seperate media and fiction, that's great, but a lot of people can't.
I actually don't have a problem with authors who show rape scenes in full as long as there's a disclaimer, or sometimes during the scenes, maybe they have details that will be mentioned. I also don't see rape in Jinx, I only see abuse. But above all that, like I said before, it's all about preference. And as you said, not all can differentiate between fiction and reality, that is why people like that are the problem. It is not the author’s duty to change his/her story just because some readers are complaining about it. Y'all should read something you're more comfortable with. Jinx is not a fluffy romance or whatever, it's a toxic relationship in a toxic story, and if y'all bunch of sensitive readers can't handle that, then gtfo.
This type of trope has been existing for years, so what are y'all even complaining about? Do you really think if you speak out on romanticization, the trope will die down? Y'all better be real lol. And I honestly don't even think the author wants to romanticize abuse, she’s simply making a homoerotic relationship between two imperfect characters who are suffering. Just like painter of the night, they are so similar.
okay i'm sorry but do you not have any media literacy at all? HMM, let me think! why would it be bad and problematic for authors to romanticise abuse and sexual assault? gee, i don't know!
and it's funny how you're comparing this to potn, which is a story built around power imbalance and class struggle - seungho literally used his power and influence to sexually assault a lowborn. but hey, he got character development and they ended up together! his actions can be excused, right?
i swear some of you can't think logically..
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Whoever said his action was excused? Lmao. He suffered for everything he put the uke through. Bro even wanted to sacrifice himself for the uke even after all the bad things he did to Nakyum. Isn't that enough to excuse his behavior as long as he made up for it? Yes, his action cannot be forgotten but it can be dealt with and forgiven. Isn't that how life works? Prisoners are given a period of time to suffer and make up for their sins before they are bailed out, it's the same thing happening here.
And like you said, power imbalance and class struggle, that is exactly what is going on in Jinx. Thanks for stating that.
you clearly don't get it... nakyum and seungho's relationship started with seungho kidnapping him, then forcefully having sex with him, and not allowing him to leave or get out that situation, which were things he could do because of his power. their relationship was built around abuse and manipulation, and seungho's actions can't be in any situation. but still, they end up together and seungho became a 'better person', so yes - his actions were excused.
it's not 'how life works', sexual assault is one of the, if not worst, crimes a person can commit. it's so disgusting and inhumane, and committed purely for the oppressor's selfishness. at least some other crimes can be explained or justified.
Stop saying they were excused as if he didn't suffer for anything at all because he did! Seungho suffered a ton just to protect Nakyum. And even looking at the prehistoric setting, lowborns were seen as tools and were never justified(which is wrong according to our contemporary), you should understand the setting before you think “Why did lord seungho not get arrested for doing that to a low born???” No one would even think of things like that in their time, Low-born born we're seen as slaves, so in what way would you want to justify his actions??
Dan cannot even accuse Jk of abusing him. Think of the setting of the story before you say they're romanticizing shit.
And bruh, if Seungho and Nakyum didn't end up together, do you know the amount of readers that would be disappointed??
Think of domestic violence, if a mother slaps her child once and apologizes and the child forgives the mother, does that mean that the slap was romanticized?? Let's be for real bruh…oh nah
THEY WERE EXCUSED BECAUSE THEY ENDED UP TOGETHER!!!!! oh my god. obviously i get the historical context but my point still stands. it was abuse. it can still be applied to the joseon era, seungho even acknowledged that what he was doing was wrong. "seungho suffered too!" okay and? what does that have to do with him being an abuser? no amount of suffering will ever make r*pe okay.
exactly my point. so many readers wanted them to end up together that they ignore the sexual assault, the manipulation, the kidnapping, etc. they want them to be together despite the fucked up circumstances.
your comparison doesn't really make sense. i said seungho and nakyum's relationship was romanticised, despite seungho repeatedly sexually assaulting him - they ended up together and all was forgiven! i don't get what you're trying to say about domestic violence, could you explain it a bit better?
And what if they ended up together??? Is seungho still hurting Dan?? Seungho has proven to Nakyum that he truly cares and loves him! So what is stopping them from being together?? Because he was abused by him in the past?? Things change, people change and that's what matters! Being happy is what matters!! Many situations like this are realistic!! I've seen it happen before my eyes!! So cut this romanticization shit when you can't comprehend the situation. Love is not a choice! It's not something we can all control! It's better to think of what will all be better for us, what truly makes us happy. It was once a toxic relationship but it isn't anymore. Live with that.
That's the thing! The SEXUAL ASSAULT was not ignored!!! It was only forgiven when he made up for his sins!!! Do you want to keep living in the past???
Do you see how Nakyum has changed Seungho?? You can't tell me you're NOT HAPPY for them!!!
Please leave that bullshit example, I just made that up cause I was trying to express my point well.
It's just like a situation with God and his people.
Yo you gotta ignore that person, they ain't got no media literacy or anything, they just gonna trap you into a useless argument.
i understand what you’re saying and thanks for not attacking me lmao, i get scared to share my opinion online because a lot of people don’t agree with it and like most people, i don’t like to be attacked for a simple opinion, but n e ways
of course his character development won’t excuse his actions, but it’s still good to get that character development so dan can live a happier life, i don’t want his grandma to pass but i know she will and i don’t want him to be left with no one who cares about him, i wish it was someone else but if jaekyung is the only thing we have, then we have to make do
it’s interesting to think of that perspective of people who may not be able to distinguish between fiction and reality but i hope to god no one reads it and thinks what jaekyung does is okay. the thing is, most people do know, that’s why so many hate this bl and jaekyung, because he sexually abused dan on multiple occasions and they know that, i doubt the author thinks r*pe is okay, but they want that friction in the story, the people need someone to hate, and it’s gotta be jaekyung
even if the character development won’t excuse his past actions, i still hope we get to see his life and why he ended up the way he is, it’s obvious throughout the story that jaekyung struggles with a lot of things, not an excuse of course, but sir needs therapy
but frfr i hope we get a real deep dive during the story into his past so we can get a bigger picture, he’s a bad person yes, but most people like that grow up with some type of psychological issues that stem from their parents or how they lived when they were younger and it may not be only his fault he turned out that way, and even though his past actions will always remain wrong, he can still change, doesn’t mean people need to forgive him though, and they shouldn’t feel obligated to
everyone acting like so many manhwas aren’t toxic/abusive, even bj alex was but people still came to love that story so what’s the difference? the only thing is there hasn’t been any character development for jaekyung, but this is just the start and none of us know what’s going to happen, and people claim not to be supporters but they’re here reading it like go away if you hate it that much and kim dan is def one of the nicest manhwa characters i’ve seen, he’s so caring of everyone, even someone who treats him like shit, he settles for the bare minimum because that’s all he knows, he has only been treated like complete and utter shit his whole life and the only person who treats him like a human is his grandmother and people want her to die just so dan can be “free” of jaekyung but aren’t considering the fact that she’s the only one who cares about him
and despite jaekyung treating dan like a sex doll the whole time, we can’t deny that he has kept dan safe, he treats him bad and hurts him mentally, that is true, but dan still has a roof over his head and has food to eat and can no longer be hurt by those thugs from before, you don’t have to like jaekyung, most people hate him and that’s okay, i don’t even really care for him because he is very much a selfish, abusive asshole, but i can still acknowledge the fact that he is taking care of dan, not good care, but care nonetheless
this author is a good one and they will for sure make this story better as time goes on, this is only the beginning.