i think mingwa had almost the right idea with alex. he could've been a really convincing c...

I don't think he is a rapist and that there is any rape in this manhwa tho....I mean Alex was an asshole because of his past but he did actually feel wrong for how he acted with the uke and actually apologized and fell in love with him....I meam their story is toxic but there is rape too? ....which chapters do you think project rape? And why? Not judging your opinion or anything....just want to understand your pov....♡

Penetrative rape:
• https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/bj_alex-chapter-25/10/
• https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/bj_alex-chapter-25/11/
Here its object rape:
• https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/bj_alex-chapter-21/7/
• https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/bj_alex-chapter-21/10/

All your proofs or rape can't really be called rape.
It's true he said to stop but all their sexual acts were consexual, the reason why he wanted things to stop wasn't because he didn't want to have sex, he didn't want to have sex that way which is different.
In this case he's still definitely at fault because he was scared and he didn't listen but he wasn't against the sex, he was against the toys.
If he did listen and stopped using the toys they would have kept going like normal just without the toys.
While it's true that he didn't listen when he said stop you are taking things out of context.

The first example you gave showed us that the protagonist isn't mad, scarred or scared by the "rape" literally two pages after that, he felt a bit scared and asked to stop but didn't mind if he went a little too overboard.

The second time with the toys even there he was scared and asked to stop but they were both agreeing to try out the toys and in BDSM the two clearly don't know what to do.
That wasn't rape, that was lack of communication and experience about BDSM and in the end the protagonist was like "yeah, I tried it and this isn't my cup of tea" not "I'm traumatized now because you did something against my will".

While it's true that he did ask him to stop your view of rape is too black and white because there was consent between the two and even after the protagonist made clear the consent was still valid but just didn't want that specific thing.

Let me be clear, it's still 100% wrong but it's not rape, it's more ignoring his preference because he wanted the sex, just not like that.

It's still wrong but how it affect the person and what they think of it only depends on the people part of the relationship.

He didnt want Alex to penetrate him at that moment and told alex to not put it in and to stop but he didnt that in itself is rape. His reaction after isnt important, he isnt a real person and if the author didnt want him to have a realistic reaction he wouldn't. The sevond time with the toys, again, DG stop him to stop multiple times and Jiwon didnt until he was balling with snot and tears. This isnt a miscommunication by any means, its a dismissal of his consent, both times.

I agree with you completely because that is exactly how I feel....In the first two it was miscommunication and aggressive but I don't think we can call it rape.....In the second two I feel like Alex's actions are a little rash because he is angry but he did play by the rules of BDSM....it was just that Donggyun didn't like the toys....he himself wanted to try it....I mean it is a little aggressive but to call it rape is not right.....Rape is something really horrible...it's the worst thing that can happen to someone....I don't think those parts can be considered as rape....Thanks for this line tho "Your view of rape is too black and white"....because this is exactly what I wanted to say but didn't know how to....if rape is just ignoring one "stop" while clearing seeing that the other is enjoying.....then every sex scene has rape in it then.....

Jiwons didnt play by the rules of BDSM, there was no safeword, he didnt try to assure that his partner felt comfortable/safe, he ignored his partners wants to stop and it ended with him balling. The way you view BDSM is warped, thats not how we do it at all.
If someone tells you to stop you stop, what are you even saying here? A physiological reaction is not consent, unless you have established CNC when someone gives you indicated they want to stop you do as they say. It doesn't matter if they look like they like it thats your perception (in this case the authors presentation) and it cant accurately assess someone's consent. I hope you dont apply this to real life. I really dont understand this logic, its much too lenient on the perpetrators.

Well just to be clear....I was just refering to the fiction and not real life....real life is much more fucked up so it's definately not applied to real life.....Most of the manhwas here will be considered as rape and what not in real life....real life is really confusing.....real life rapes are actually much more violent and horrible than fiction.....that is the reason why I don't think fiction aggressive sex is rape.....I mean yeah some fictions actually do show rape as it's true form like "darkfall" and "pearl boy"....but they are still fiction....well all I learnt in so many years is that "Read if you like and don't read if you don't and don't criticise anyone else for what they like and their opinions because everyone has a different pov of everything"......I am really sorry if you felt like I was talking about real life....I wasn't...♡

The standard of consent doesnt change when its fiction, you can still like the story of course but identifying sexual violence is more important than you'd think. Anybody can share their opinion but they should expect criticism because all our opinions are different. Rape doesnt look a certain way and i think its important you know that just because its sexualised, romanticised, minimised or dismissed doesnt mean its not rape its just horrifically presented. You don't have to apologise for anything i know this is just your opinion but thank you anyway. Have a good day

....You are really mature for not scolding me and just explaining it to be nicely....I really appreciate your kindness.....It's kinda hard for me to distinguish rape when it's so poorly represented....like I didn't realise that Tak and Sanho's relationship from "Stranger Than Friends" started with rape untill a comment pointed it out.....Thank you so much for explaining it to me...I hope in the future I am able to identify is it's rape in reality no matter how nicely it is shown in fiction....You too have a very nice day...

Hey can you read "Vivarium" and tell me what you think about it? It's a case of stockholm syndrom where the uke falls in love with the rapist.....but the rapist himself is a victim.....the uke wasn't a good person in the past so the seme's brother is taking revenge on him....there is one main villain tho....this manhwa makes me have mixed emotions since all of them are victims and all of them are predators.....♡

I actually read a chapter before i dropped it, most of them are both victims and perpetrators but i really couldn't handle how graphic it was so i stopped reading. Things like that give me ambiguity on how i should feel about them. Being a bad person doesn't mean you deserve to be raped but you should recieve appropriate concequences. Rape was never the answer but i cant say i dont sympathise with the kidnapper, not that it justifies his actions. As you said it is stockholm and not real love...you just have to see how the story flows.

Thank you for your opinion....It's actually finished in raws and they meet again after few years of being separated and fall in love again....and start a healthy new relationship....♡

That is WILD, i dont have enough context to judge it though so if they're happy i guess.

Are you deranged? Learn how consent works. If your partner is saying NO and asks to STOP, then you. do as asked. If not, then yes - it can be classified as rape. It is sick and disgusting, and I truly hope this is now you you conduct yourself in real life.

Once more with the unnecessary insult. Sigh

Bullshit needs to be pointed out and called out. Rape isn't funny and should never be treated as such.

??? It was necessary lmao

In the world of bl thats not how it is the ukes will say stop whenever the pleasure is too intense this does not apply to real life but literally go ready any bl even the most fluffy will have a moment the uke says no~ and the seme will keep going

Yeah that doesnt matter BL doesnt change the meaning of consent this sort of logic is a serious issue. If there isnt established cnc its sexual violence to ignore pleas to stop. BL creators are so annoying istg