i will gladly march into hell to defend this and any concept these authors wants or need to use!!! Do you get that? Do you even comprehend what you're proposing? Do you even understand a tiny bit that what you and your little friends are doing is tyranny? Do you even slightly realize that there's five generations of people walking this planet willing to to defend their freedoms with their LIVES from ANY tiny-brained group of mutant oppressors? Has that comprehension truly never dawned on your snowrape generation frigid brain?
Stick your call-out culture up your ass
bae
“I will gladly March into hell to defend the fact I think rape is romantic” do u see how you sound?? Sick asf u need actual help and that is a disgusting way of thinking. If you can’t handle people criticizing a yaoi bc it romanticizes rape then are YOU even mature enough to be reading it. There are a few mangas where they have rape in it and it’s not the start or reason of the start of their romance. For you to sit here and defend the fact that “rape is romance” is so unbelievably disgusting.
You must quote me verbatim to use quote marks. Otherwise you're just lying.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? i'M READIN this to get away from thoughts of RL rape!!
So the rules. I can read this, but it would be wrong of me to "romanticize" it, right? In other words, as I'm reading this I need to think about real life rape victims and how they would feel if they were the characters in the story, right? I can read it, but it is essential that I upset myself each time a rape scene is happening. Even if the author intends me to enjoy the gorgeous art and the heat of the sex, I'm not supposed to We are not allowed to just escape and enjoy it. no. you must get deep into violated victim territory within yourself and feel bad throughout the sex scenes if there's the slightest hint of rape.
I must follow the new goddamn hairbrained new rules of the snowrape generation. Well pardon me but that sounds EXACTLY LIKE fundie christian bs.
You're one nasty piece of work. calling me sick, disgusting,
Who said u can’t read and enjoy the works. Literally no one. Ur original comment said that people don’t have to comment on the r@pe in this manga and my response was that them calling out how they romanticize it is valid. YOU were the one bending over backwards to invalidate other people’s feelings towards the fetishization of rape in this manga. Re-read the whole conversation and try to see everyone’s point,
And also they way u just said “even if the author intends me to enjoy the gorgeous art and heat of the sex” is exactly what you need to evaluate. Bc it’s not sex, it’s rape. Ur not suppose to enjoy rape scenes you sicko. And that’s exactly why people call out yaoi who romanticize rape, bc weirdos like you think it’s just “sex” when it’s not that. Lowkey promoting rape culture :/
you contradict yourself, clearly saying ppl aren't allowed to enjoy these works because there's rape. rape in fiction is different than rape in rl. when will you learn this? You're also condescend and rude. I might be rude, but at least I don't sound like the proverbial witch mother. You forgot to cackle.
I have/had a mother. You're not her. I know cuz she's dead. I don't need your immature scolding
I never say, "the fact that" It's substandard usage. you must quote me to use quotation marks.
reference: *use that. unless there's just no way around using the cloddish "the fact that."
Again, completely missed my point. No one is contradicting themselves my point the whole time was that fetishizing rape in yaoi is bad, and it’s something you clearly do. And then how are u gonna acknowledge that I’m being “condescending and rude” when you are literally doing the same thing, when I’m not even trying to be condescending. I’m making a valid point and you’re switching the topic to grammar bc you can’t refute it. Some good yaois have rape in them, SOME though. Most of them fetishize it, and THATS what people are calling out. No one has a problem with authors using rape in their stories as long as they don’t romanticize it, and that’s been my consistent point this whole time. Again, try reading the whole conversation again to see EVERYONES point not just mine.
Also, summarizing someone’s point is also apart of basic grammar. When I said that it was exactly how you sounded so I put quotations marks to emphasize that. Quotations aren’t just used for dialogue sweetheart. And THATS me being condescending.
you can't use them to paraphrase, though.
so specifically define what you mean by "fetishizing rape" please. give me a good example. I'd appreciate it
you really shouldn't make a grammatical error when lecturing me on grammar. saying apart of grammar is incorrect.
Where you're irritating me is calling me sweetheart when you're not using it as an endearment.
I never said that rape is romance. that's stupid. you're actually twisting my words instead of summarizing my point. rape is not romantic. However, to me your line of thought seems like a cloud of circulating ideas all bouncing off each other.
What I'm hearing you say is that there can be violent rape in these stories, it can look painful, the victim can be injured. All of that is fine with you. I am supposed to suffer in empathy with the victim. If the scene appears to be romantic in any way, I'm not supposed to see any romance in it, right?
EXACTLY. Rape isn’t romantic, and it isn’t the start of a relationship. You aren’t suppose to see romance in rape scenes bc the victim is being forced to do something sexually that they don’t want to do. Yaois do this all of the time and that’s what everyone has a problem with. If the uke clearly doesn’t want to do it and the seme does it bc he “likes him”, and as a result the uke falls in love THATS romanticizing rape. If all the sex scenes in a manga are always non consensual and they’re relationship while they do it all the time that’s fetishizing rape, sex scenes are suppose to be SEX scenes not rape scenes.
Even if this hypothetical rape of yours is part of the plot, you're saying I should separate it, pull it up from the fabric of the story, and think of it differently than the author intends. Is this correct?
As for the rapist, he is supposed to have done something evil, must be punished, and he must not have any good fortune at all. the uke is allowed to end up alone or with another side character, but not for a long time until he's recovered from the rape.
This all sounds like a realistic story, which I'm not interested in.
So, please tell me why is it okay for you to tell me how I'm supposed to react? How can you legislate how a person feels?
What your saying goes against free will. who does this romanticizing/fetishizing? The reader of the author? who are you blaming? Is it your aim to abolish the things you're talking about? That's how it sounds. You're telling people how they should feel about what they read, which is none of your business.
Reader or the author*
Let's talk about the other side. Is the reader also not supposed to feel aroused
in Ghost Child or Lost Virgin is the reader not allowed to feel anything?
this is a link to your dream story. It's downvoted to an 8.0 rating. Account for your fellow anti-romanticizer's failure to see its gay rights message and utter hatred and disrespect. https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/renai_fuyuki_todoki/
If you can't separate unreasonable irrational thought from actions, you're no help to society, rape victims, courts of law, and you certainly aren't able to validly critique this work. If all you've got is "It has rape. ewww" then consider it already said by others and kindly refrain from adding to the hateful remarks here.